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Phoenix City Council Formal Meeting – June 26, 2019

December 10, 2019


>>Mayor Gallego: WE HAVE AN
INTERPRETER HERE TODAY PROVIDE SPANISH LANGUAGE INTERPRETATION. MARIO BARAJAS, WOULD YOU
INTRODUCE YOURSELF.>>MY NAME IS MARIO BARAJAS. I WILL BE MAKING A BRIEF
ANNOUNCEMENT IN SPANISH FOR OUR SPANISH SPEAKERS. [SPANISH]
THANK YOU, MAYOR.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. AND NOW I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO
ORDER THE JUNE 26, 2019 ASSISTED HOUSING GOVERNING BOARD MEETING. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. [ROLL CALL]
>>THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE
MINUTES FROM THE MAY 15th, 2019 MEETING OF THE BOARD?>>I MOVE THE MINUTES BE
ACCEPTED AS WRITTEN.>>SECOND.>>WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY
SAYING AYE. [ CHORUS OF AYES]
ANY OPPOSED, NAY. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER 4 IS A RESOLUTION ON
A PROPOSED ASSET MANAGEMENT BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR
2019-2020. DO WE HAVE MOTION.>>I MOVE THAT IT BE ACCEPTED.>>SECOND.>>WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNAL
BY AYE. [ CHORUS OF AYES]
ANY OPPOSED, NAY. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER 5 IS RELATED TO 25
VETERANS AFFAIR SUPPORTIVE HOUSING PROJECT BASED VOUCHERS. THESE MAY BE USED IN A LATER
AGENDA ITEM DURING OUR FORMAL MEETING FOR THE PARCEL AT 723
WEST POKE STREET TO PROVIDE HOUSING FOR VETERANS IN OUR —
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT IT BE ACCEPTED.>>SECOND.>>WE HAVE A MOTION AND A
SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [ CHORUS OF AYES]
ANY OPPOSED, NAY. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. WITH THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED WITH
THE ASSISTED HOUSING GOVERNING BOARD. WE WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE
FORMAL MEETING.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: HERE.>>Clerk: GARCIA.>>Councilman Garcia: HERE.>>Clerk: GUARDADO.>>Councilwoman Guardado:
HERE.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski:
HERE.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: HERE.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: HERE.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Councilwoman Williams:
HERE.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Councilwoman Williams:
HERE.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Mayor Gallego: HERE. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE READ THE
24-HOUR PARAGRAPH. THE TITLES OF THE FOLLOWING
ORDINANCE NUMBERS ON THE AGENDA WERE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AT
LEAST 24 HOURS PRIOR TO THIS COUNCIL MEETING AND, THEREFORE,
MAY BE READ BY TITLE OR AGENDA ITEM ONLY:
ORDINANCES NUMBERED G-6602, S-45845
THROUGH 45889, AND
RESOLUTIONS 21760 THROUGH 21761.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE
THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
NOMINATIONS?>>Councilman Waring: MOVE TO
APPROVE.>>SECOND.>>Mayor Gallego: WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNAL
BY SAYING AYE. ANY OPPOSED? PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC
HERE TO BE SWORN IN. I WILL NOW SWEAR THEM IN. THANK YOU. I, STATE YOUR NAME, DO SOLEMNLY
SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED
STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA,
THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME AND
DEFEND THEM AGAINST ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, AND THAT I
WILL FAITHFULLY AND IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE
OFFICE OF []
ACCORDING TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, SO HELP ME GOD. CONGRATULATIONS, AND THANK YOU
FOR YOUR SERVICE. [APPLAUSE]
>>Mayor Gallego: ITEM NUMBER 2 IS THE SWEARING IN OF MEMBERS
OF OUR JUDICIARY. WE WILL TAKE THAT ITEM AFTER WE
DO OUR LIQUOR LICENSE AGENDA. VICE MAYOR, DO WE HAVE A MOTION
ON LIQUOR LICENSE APPLICATIONS.>>Councilman Waring: MOVE TO
APPROVE ITEMS 3 THROUGH 12 EXCEPT ITEM 8 AND ITEM 12, WHICH
IS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT TO BE CONTINUED TO JULY 3rd,
2019.>>Mayor Gallego: WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY
AYE. [ CHORUS OF AYES]
ANY OPPOSED, NAY. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER 8 IS IN COUNCILMAN
MICHAEL NOWAKOWSKI’S DISTRICT. COUNCILMAN?>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES,
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS, BUT — UNTIL JULY
3rd, BUT I’M ALSO ASKING THE APPLICANT — IS THE APPLICANT
HERE? IF THE APPLICANT CAN GO TO THE
STATE AND REALLY TRY TO WORK OUT AN EXTENSION AT THE STATE LEVEL. WHAT’S GOING ON IS THAT WE HAVE
SOME NEIGHBORS AND BUSINESSES THERE THAT HAVE SOME CONCERNS,
AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A CHANCE TO SIT EVERYONE
TOGETHER AND TRY TO WORK THINGS OUT. I KNOW THAT THERE’S A TIME
LIMIT. I THINK IT’S AUGUST 8 OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IF THERE IS A WAY FOR YOU TO
ASK FOR AN EXTENSION PAST AUGUST 28th WHERE WE COULD BRING IT
BACK TO THE COUNCIL DURING THAT TIME WHERE I BELIEVE THERE IS
ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO GATHER WITH THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY
WORK THINGS OUT. I THINK ONCE WE SIT AROUND THE
TABLE AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WE CAN WORK THINGS OUT AND MAKE
THIS ALL HAPPEN. IF YOU’RE IN FAVOR OF THAT, THAT
WOULD BE GREAT. IF NOT, THEN WE’LL EXTEND IT TO
JULY 3rd, AND THEN JULY 3rd, THEN I WOULD DENY THE
APPLICATION IF THERE’S BEEN AN EXTENSION TO THAT.>>[INAUDIBLE].>>Councilman Nowakowski:
ABSOLUTELY.>>Mayor Gallego: IF YOU COULD
COME FORWARD TO THE MICROPHONE SO THAT PEOPLE WATCHING ONLINE
CAN HEAR AS WELL AND IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE
RECORD.>>GOOD AFTERNOON. RASHITA WORSEY, APPLICANT FOR
THE LIQUOR LICENSE FOR THE BOOM BOOM ROOM. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE SOME
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION I DIDN’T FEEL I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO
PRESENT BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF GIVEN ALL OF THIS INFORMATION
WITHIN THE LAST 24 HOURS BECAUSE I WAS ADDITIONALLY INFORMED THAT
WE WERE ALL SET TO APPROVE THIS MOTION. WE HAVE OUR — OUR GROUP HAS
MET, I PERSONALLY HAVE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS, MANY OF THEM ARE
HERE, MOST I HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE, BUT I MET WITH THE
LEADERS OF TWO OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS. ALWAYS IN THE SPIRIT OF
COMPROMISE AND ALWAYS IN THE SPIRIT OF COMMUNITY AND BUSINESS
WORKING TOGETHER BECAUSE THAT IS MY HISTORY. HOWEVER, I HAVE BEEN
STONEWALLED. SO IF WE CAN GET AN AGREEMENT
FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND THESE ASSOCIATION LEADERS THAT THE
PURPOSE OF OUR MEETING IS TO DISCUSSION AND FIND SOME
RESOLUTIONS TO SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT
FORTH, AND THESE DO HAVE TO BE ISSUES I HAVE THE ABILITY TO
SOLVE — I CAN’T SOLVE ALL COMMUNITY ISSUES, BUT IF I HAVE
THE ABILITY TO SOLVE THESE ISSUES, I AM MORE THAN WILLING
AND WANT TO. I WOULD LIKE FOR THIS BUSINESS
TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND A COMMUNITY PROJECT THAT WE CAN
ALL BE PROUD OF, BUT I AM CONCERNED THAT THAT’S NOT GOING
TO BE THE CASE AND THAT THIS IS JUST A TACTIC TO DELAY THIS
PROCESS. THANK YOU.>>Councilman Nowakowski:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO JUST GATHER
PEOPLE TOGETHER, HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, SEE IF WE CAN WORK
THINGS OUT, AND IF THERE’S — WE’RE NOT ABLE TO WORK THINGS
OUT, THEN WE’LL SEE IF IT’S REASON OR IF IT’S NOT
REASONABLE. ABSOLUTELY.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU,
COUNCILMAN. WE HAVE TWO CARDS IN SUPPORT AND
FIVE IN OPPOSITION. IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE
TO TESTIFY ON WHETHER IT IS APPROPRIATE TO DO A MOTION TO
CONTINUE. SO WE WILL NOT BE HAVING A
SUBSTANTIVE VOTE ON THE ITEM RIGHT NOW BUT WHETHER YOU’RE
COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONTINUANCE.>>GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS BRIANNA WORSEY,
DAUGHTER OF RASHITA WORSEY AND GRANDDAUGHTER OF THE OWNER OF
THE PROPERTY. I WOULD COME COMING IN AS A LEAD
AND BE THE FRONTLINE COMMUNICATION WITH THE
COMMUNITY. I WANT TO LET IT BE KNOWN I AM
ALWAYS MORE THAN HAPPY AND WILLING TO TALK AND COMPROMISE
AND WORK WITH ANYONE WHO IS WILLING TO COME TO THE TABLE. WE ARE INTERESTED IN MEETING SO
THAT WE CAN COME FORTH ON JULY 3rd. SO ANYTHING SUCH AS MONDAY WOULD
BE BEAUTIFUL. AND I WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE MORE
OPEN TO SPEAKING WITH ME AS WELL AS — I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO
SPEAK WITH ANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FROM OAKLAND
NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND GRAND ARTS PRESERVATION. THAT’S ALL. THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI, THE
MOTION WAS TO CONTINUE TO OUR JULY 3rd COUNCIL MEETING? ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION —
WE DO NOT — WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND YET.>>SECOND.>>Mayor Gallego: WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY
SAYING AYE. [ CHORUS OF AYES]
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR LIQUOR
LICENSE AGENDA. WE WILL THEN RETURN TO —
WHAT — DID THE MOTION TO CONTINUE — OKAY. SO OUR CITY CLERK CONFIRMS ITEM
12 WAS CONTINUED TO JULY 3rd.>>Councilwoman Pastor: IT WAS
PART OF THE CONSENT. YEAH. IT GOT CONTINUED. RIGHT?>>Mayor Gallego: YES, IT WAS
CONTINUED. FOR THE RECORD, ITEM 12 WAS
CONTINUED TO THE JULY 3rd MEETING OF THE PHOENIX CITY
COUNCIL. WE WILL NOW RETURN TO ITEM
NUMBER 2, WHICH IS THE SWEARING IN OF OUR CHIEF PRESIDING JUDGE,
DONTE LORE III AND — THE COUNCIL HAS PREVIOUSLY VOTED ON
THE NOMINATIONS BUT WE WANT TO CONGRATULATE JUDGE TAYLOR HAS
HELPED LEAD THE COURTS INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS, INCLUDING
THE COMPLIANCE ASSISTANCE PROGRAM, HAVING HELPED PEOPLE
NAVIGATE THE SYSTEM. WANT TO CONGRATULATE JUDGE
HUNDREDTH SUN WHO HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN SERVING VETERANS AND
MAKING SURE ALL HAVE EQUAL ACCESS TO JUSTICE. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU HELPING
US US CREATE A COURT SYSTEM THAT’S FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY. WITH THAT WE WILL ADMINISTER THE
OATH OF OFFICE. I, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR, THAT I
WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE
CONSTITUTE AND LAWS OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA, THAT I WILL BEAR
TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME, AND DEFEND THEM AGAINST
ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC, AND THAT I WILL
FAITHFULLY AND IMPARTIALLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE
OFFICE OF JUDGE ACCORDING TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, SO HELP ME
GOD. CONGRATULATIONS. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. [APPLAUSE]
>>Mayor Gallego: CITY CLERK, ARE WE READY FOR ORDINANCE,
RESOLUTION, NEW BUSINESS, PLANNING AND ZONING.>>Councilman Waring: MOVE TO
APPROVE ITEMS 13-98 EXCEPT 24, 33, 38, 43, 72, 73, 79, 81 AND
89.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND?>>Councilwoman Williams:
SECOND.>>Mayor Gallego: ANY CHANGES
TO THE MOTION? EVERYTHING INCLUDED? ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GARCIA.>>Councilman Garcia: YES.>>Clerk: GUARDADO.>>Councilwoman Guardado: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Councilwoman Williams: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Mayor Gallego: YES. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM NUMBER 24.>>Councilman Waring: MOVE TO
APPROVE ITEM 24.>>Councilwoman Williams:
SECOND.>>Mayor Gallego: ITEM NUMBER
24 IS SOLAR STAR ARIZONA 3LLC. LEONARD CLARK HAS FILLED OUT A
CARD IN FAVOR. MR. CLARK.>>THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LEONARD CLARK, NATIVE
AND RESIDENT OF PHOENIX. I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS. SOLAR POWER APPROVAL THAT YOU’RE
GOING TO DO FOR THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. I WAS READING IN THE AGENDA HERE
PROVIDES UP TO 75% OF THE POWER FOR THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. SO I JUST HOPE EVERYBODY AT HOME
IS GOING ON YouTube AND LEARNING HOW TO MAKE THEIR OWN
SOLAR POWER. SORRY, SRP, APS, WE HAVE TO
LIBERATE OURSELVES. SOLAR POWER IS THE WAY. WE ARE THE [INDISCERNIBLE] OF
BASICALLY THE WORLD WHEN IT COMES TO SUNLIGHT, AND I THINK
7.5 MEGAWATTS, THAT’S SOMETHING TO BE VERY PROUD OF IN THE CITY
OF PHOENIX. NOW, LET’S GO OUT THERE AND PUT
SOLAR PANELS ON EVERYTHING, WHETHER SRP OR APS LIKES IT OR
NOT. THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. ANY COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS? ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GARCIA.>>Councilman Garcia: YES.>>Clerk: GUARDADO.>>Councilwoman Guardado: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Councilwoman Williams: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Mayor Gallego: YES. ITEM PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.>>Councilman Waring: MOVE TO
APPROVE ITEM 33.>>Councilwoman Williams:
SECOND.>>Mayor Gallego: WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. MR. CLARK HAS A CARD ON THIS
ITEM AS WELL.>>MY NAME IS LEONARD CLARK, A
MEMBER OF — NOT A MEMBER, BUT A CITIZEN OF DISTRICT 1 AND WE
WERE ALL CONCERNED. WE JUST PASSED THE WATER TAX. WE’RE — BEEN HEARING RUMORS OF
SPOT SHORTAGES IN NORTHERN PHOENIX. KNOWING THAT WE’RE HERE TODAY TO
APPROVE THIS EXPENDITURE FOR CENTRAL ARIZONA PROJECT WATER IS
A GREAT REMINDER TO ALL OF OUR CITIZENS THAT WE LIVE IN A
DESERT AND WATER IS ONE OF THE MOST, IF NOT THE MOST, PRECIOUS
RESOURCES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH MAN-MADE GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE
GOING ON. SO HOPEFULLY THE CITY OF PHOENIX
WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE LEADER INNOVATING AND COMING UP WITH
THE BEST WAYS OF SAVING WATER, BECAUSE WE CANNOT BE LULLED INTO
COMPLACENCY BY THIS LAST GOOD SEASON OF RAINFALL WE HAD. WE ARE STILL IN A DROUGHT AND
WE’VE BEEN IN A DROUGHT SINCE THE YEAR 2000. THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU,
MR. CLARK. THANK YOU TO OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS
WHO ARE CURRENTLY LEADING A TASK FORCE ON WATER CONSERVATION. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Mayor Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: GUARDADO.>>Councilwoman Guardado: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Councilwoman Williams: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Mayor Gallego: YES. ITEM HE PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM 38.>>Councilman Waring: MOVE TO
APPROVE ITEM 38.>>Councilwoman Williams:
SECOND.>>Mayor Gallego: WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. MR. CLARK. NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CLEAN
WATER AGENCIES ANNUAL PAYMENT.>>THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MY NAME IS
LEONARD CLARK. PHOENIX LEADS THE WAY. WE ARE THE LARGEST CITY IN
ARIZONA. SO I THINK IT IS GREAT. I STRONGLY APPROVE OF THIS BEING
PART OF THIS CLEAN WATER GROUP OF AGENCIES. WE’RE ALL CONCERNED. WE HAVE CHILDREN WHO ARE BORN
WITH PHYSICAL AND COGNITIVE CHALLENGES AND A LOT OF IT CAN
BE ATTRIBUTED SOME PEOPLE ARE SAYING TO WHAT IS IN OUR WATER. WE NEED TO BE ON TOP OF THIS
BECAUSE I’M CONCERNED, I’M CONCERNED ABOUT THE OUTLYING
CITIES TO OUR VALLEY. SO WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO BE THE
LEADERS IN HAVING THE CLEANEST WATER. OUR CHILDREN CANNOT AFFORD TO BE
DRINKING WATER THAT WILL POISON THEM AND GIVE THEM THESE
CHALLENGES WHEN THEY GROW UP. THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Mayor Gallego: YES.>>Clerk: GUARDADO.>>Councilwoman Guardado: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Councilwoman Williams: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Mayor Gallego: YES. ITEM PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM 43.>>Councilwoman Williams: MOVE
APPROVAL.>>Mayor Gallego: WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND — DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COUNCILMEMBER GARCIA.>>Councilman Garcia: I WANTED
TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS OF STAFF. I THINK — WANTED TO KNOW HOW
MANY OF THESE UNUSUAL AND COMPLEX CASES WERE RELATED TO
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.>>MAYOR, COUNCILMAN GARCIA,
THE — ABOUT 40% OF CASES THAT WE HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR AND
USE LEGAL SERVICES RELATE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND
INTERACTIVE. I DON’T KNOW FOR SURE ON THE
EXACT 500,000 HOW THAT BREAKS DOWN BECAUSE I DON’T EVEN KNOW
ALL THE INVOICES OFFHAND BUT ABOUT 40% OF THOSE ARE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.>>Councilman Garcia: THANK
YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. DID WE GET A SENDING ON THIS
ITEM? OKAY. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GARCIA.>>Councilman Garcia: NO.>>Clerk: GUARDADO.>>Councilwoman Guardado: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Councilwoman Williams: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring:
[INAUDIBLE]>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Mayor Gallego: YES. ITEM PASSES 8-1. ITEM 72.>>Councilman Waring: MOVE TO
APPROVE ITEM 72.>>Councilwoman Williams:
SECOND.>>Mayor Gallego: WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCILWOMAN PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I HAVE
SOME COMMENTS, AND IF STAFF COULD — SO, FIRST OF ALL, I
WANT TO THANK COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI FOR ALL HIS WORK. I KNOW HE HAS BEEN WORKING ON
THIS FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND HAS BEEN WANTING TO MOVE THIS
ITEM FORWARD. SOME OF YOU MAY NOT KNOW, THIS
PROPERTY IS A — OVER 100 YEARS AGO THIS PROPERTY WAS DEEDED TO
THE CITY OF PHOENIX FOR THE EXPRESSION AND PURPOSE OF THE
AMERICAN VETERANS AND THE AMERICAN LEGION NUMBER 1. AND ON FEBRUARY 20th, 2019,
THE DEED ENDED, AND I THINK IT’S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE
TO HONOR THE LEGACY OF THIS PROPERTY. SO I WANTED TO ASK STAFF IF
THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO DEED THIS PROPERTY FOR 99 YEARS, HAVE
A 99-YEAR RESTRUCTURE — IT COULD BE A HUNDRED — TO
MAINTAIN WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THE
PROPERTY?>>MAYOR, COUNCILWOMAN PASTOR,
ABSOLUTELY. THE PROPERTY IS IN THE CITY’S
OWNERSHIP, SO AT THE DIRECTION OF THIS COUNCIL, THAT CERTAINLY
COULD BE PART OF THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, IS THAT RESTRICTION
WOULD BE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME. THAT’S SOMETHING VERY EASY FOR
THE CITY TO DO.>>Councilwoman Pastor: OKAY. AND THEN FURTHER, WHEN I WAS
LOOKING AT THE PACKET AND LOOKING AT THE RFP, IS THERE A
POSSIBILITY TO PLACE A CONCEPT TO ACTIVATE THE SITE IN THE
EVALUATION AREA?>>MAYOR, COUNCILWOMAN PASTOR,
ABSOLUTELY. IF WE PUT IT — LANGUAGE IN THE
CONCEPT TO ACTIVATE THE SITE, WE CERTAINLY COULD WORK WITH
HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICE TO
ALLOW POINTS FOR PRESERVATION OF A PORTION OF THE BUILDING OR —
OR THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL, WE CERTAINLY COULD ADD THOSE IN
AS POINTS THAT WOULD BE RECEIVED SHOULD A PROPOSER CHOOSE TO
PRESERVE A PORTION OF THE BUILDING OR ELEMENTS OF THE
BUILDING. WE COULD PUT THAT IN,
ABSOLUTELY.>>COUNCILWOMAN PASTOR: THE
REASON WHY I’M ASKING IS ON JUNE 4th, I WANT TO SAY JUNE 4th,
THAT’S WHEN WE HAD OUR COMMITTEE MEETING, AND THIS WAS REALLY
WHEN I HAD ASKED COULD YOU — WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE
DIALOGUE, REALLY WANTING TO PRESERVE SOME FORM OF THAT
PROPERTY, AND SO I HADN’T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT UNTIL TODAY,
SINCE IT SHOWED UP, AND SO I WANTED TO KNOW IF THAT’S
POSSIBLE.>>YES, MA’AM, WE CAN ADD THAT
PORTION INTO THE RFP AND INTO THAT SCORING CRITERIA, AND I DO
REMEMBER THAT FROM YOUR SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING, AND WE DID
TAKE THOSE NOTES.>>Councilwoman Pastor: OKAY. AND THEN, THIRDLY, I JUST HAVE A
QUESTION, AND I KNOW WE CHANGED DIRECTIONS EVERY TWO SECONDS,
DEPENDING ON WHAT COUNCIL IS PRESENT AND WHAT COUNCIL HAS
GONE, BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY WE’RE NOT LEASING THE
LAND, WHY WE’RE SELLING IT.>>MAYOR, COUNCILWOMAN PASTOR,
THAT IS UP TO THE COUNCIL AND THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL AS
TO WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO DISPOSE OF YOUR LAND OR WHETHER YOU
CHOOSE TO MAINTAIN A LONG-TERM LAND LEASE. WE’VE DONE BOTH. MOST RECENTLY, AS YOU’LL
REMEMBER, WE DID CENTRAL STATION AS A LONG-TERM LAND LEASE. I BELIEVE IT WAS A 99-YEAR LAND
LEASE ON CENTRAL STATION THAT SHOWED THAT AS A REVENUE
GENERATOR FOR THE CITY FOR THE 99 YEARS. SO IT IS AT THE PLEASURE OF THIS
COUNCIL.>>Councilwoman Pastor: OKAY. COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI, CAN I ADD
AT LEAST 1 AND 2, AND WOULD YOU CONSIDER 3?>>Councilman Nowakowski: YOU
KNOW, I WOULD THINK THAT HAVING A 99-YEAR CONCEPT WHERE THE
LEGION IS THERE WORKING AS THEY ARE NOW WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT
WOULD BE IDEAL. WE HAD CONVERSATIONS IN THE PAST
MAKING SURE WHOEVER DEVELOPS THIS PROPERTY KNOWS THAT THE
LEGION IS A PART OF THIS PROPERTY FOR THE NEXT 99 YEARS. WITH THE REST OF THE ISSUES, I
THINK IT’S REALLY — I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THE COMMENTS FROM
THE LEGION THEMSELVES AND SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE. ARE ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES —
>>Councilman DiCiccio: MAYOR, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF
WHATEVER COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI WANTS TO DO WITH THIS, AS LONG
AS THE AMERICAN LEGION IS INCLUDED IN THE DEED
RESTRICTION. IF IT IS NOT, THEN I WON’T BE
SUPPORTIVE.>>IF I MIGHT JUST RESPOND TO
THE COMMENT YOU MADE ABOUT THE AMERICAN LEGION REMAINING THERE
FOR AN ADDITIONAL 99 YEARS, UPON GUIDANCE FROM OUR LAW
DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE IN THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL THAT THE
VETERANS COMMUNITY SERVICES AND VETERANS SERVICES WOULD REMAIN
ON THE SITE AND THAT IT WOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 30% WORKFORCE OR
AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH A PREFERENCE TO VETERANS. WE CAN’T NAME ONE SPECIFIC
ORGANIZATION AS TO THE VETERANS PREFERENCE, BUT IT DOES STATE
THAT IT IS FOR VETERANS. I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT
INFORMATION FOR YOU JUST FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT. THEY QUESTIONED WHETHER WE COULD
MAKE IT DIRECTLY FOR ONE VETERANS ORGANIZATION.>>Councilman DiCiccio: MAYOR.>>Mayor Gallego: COUNCILMAN.>>Councilman DiCiccio: AGAIN,
IF WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING A DEED RESTRICTION OF AFFORDABLE
HOUSING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE, AND I WON’T SUPPORT THIS UNLESS
IT HAS IT IN THERE, IF WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING DEED
RESTRICTIONS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE AMERICAN LEGION OR ANY
VETERANS-RELATED ORGANIZATION IS ALSO DEED RESTRICTED IN THE
PROPERTY, TOO. I WILL SUPPORT IT AT THAT POINT. IF NOT, THEN I WON’T.>>Mayor Gallego: COUNCILMAN
NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski:
WOULD THAT BE LEGAL FOR US TO STATE THAT — STATE IT THAT WAY?>>MAYOR, COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI
AND COUNCILMAN DICICCIO, WE CERTAINLY CAN LIST IT AS THE
PREFERENCE FOR THE VETERANS ORGANIZATIONS. ABSOLUTELY.>>Councilman Nowakowski: AND
I WOULD ASK THE PERSON THAT MADE THE MOTION, SECONDED IT, IF THAT
WAS ALL RIGHT WITH THEM TO ADD THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO IT. [CROSSTALK]
>>Councilwoman Pastor: WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO — THE CONCEPT
TO ACTIVATE THE SITE THROUGH INCENTIVE POINTS? AM I CORRECT, CHRIS?>>MAYOR, COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI,
COUNCILWOMAN PASTOR, THAT’S CORRECT. THEY WOULDN’T BE REQUIRED BUT
THOSE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL POINTS THEY WOULD RECEIVE IN THEIR RFP
IN THE CONCEPT TO ACTIVATE THE SITE, AND THAT WAS, AS WE
RECALL, WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE.>>Councilman Nowakowski: I
WOULDN’T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, IF THE MAKER IS — WOULD
CHANGE THAT.>>Councilwoman Pastor: ARE
YOU OKAY WITH IT?>>Councilman Waring: SURE.>>Councilwoman Pastor: THANK
YOU. AND THEN THREE, IT’S ALL UP TO
US WHETHER WE WANT TO SILT OR LEASE IT. IT’S NOT A — WE DIDN’T HAVE
THIS DISCUSSION AT THE — I’M WILLING TO GO WITH 1 AND 2.>>Councilman Nowakowski: WE
SETTLED WITH 1 AND 2 –>>Councilwoman Pastor: ALL
RIGHT.>>Councilman Waring: YOU GOT
WHAT YOU NEED? FANTASTIC.>>Mayor Gallego: WONDERFUL. WE HAVE SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS HERE
TO TESTIFY. PATRICK MAYS IS FIRST FOLLOW BY
BEATRICE MOORE.>>
>>THANK YOU. I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY AS A
THREE-TERM PAST COMMANDER OF THE AMERICAN LEGION POST 1. I HAVE ALSO BEEN CHOSEN BY THE
MEMBERSHIP OF POST 1 TO BE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE IN MATTERS
CONCERNING LEASE AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY WHERE OUR POST
CURRENTLY SITS. MY NAME IS PATRICK MAYES, AND I
WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE AMERICAN LEGION. THE AMERICAN LEGION IS A
NONPARTISAN, NOT-FOR-PROFIT PATRIOTIC VETERANS ORGANIZATION. WE ARE DEVOTED TO MUTUAL
HELPFULNESS AND COMMITTED TO MENTORING YOUTH AND SPONSORSHIP
OF WHOLESOME PROGRAMS IN OUR COMMUNITIES ADVOCATING
PATRIOTISM AND HONOR, PROMOTING STRONG NATIONAL SECURITY AND
CONTINUED DEVOTION TO OUR FELLOW SERVICE MEMBERS AND VETERANS BY
ASSISTING THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES IN THE WAYS THAT WE ARE
ABLE. UPON BECOMING INVOLVED WITH POST
1, I LEARNED THAT OUR SITE WHICH HAD BEEN LEASED TO US IN 1920 ON
A 99-YEAR LEASE WAS WITHIN A FEW YEARS OF EXPIRING. I MADE IT MY GOAL TO SECURE A
LONG-TERM SOLUTION SO THAT POST 1 COULD REMAIN ON ITS HISTORIC
SITE WHERE IT STILL SITS TODAY. I SOUGHT ASSISTANCE IN TWO
DIFFERENT FRONTS FOR MY ENDEAVOR. ONE FRONT WAS THE COMMUNITY
WHICH SURROUNDED POST 1. INCLUDING MANY HISTORIC
PRESERVATIONISTS, ONE OF WHOM YOU WILL HEAR FROM FOLLOWING MY
REMARKS. THE OTHER FRONT WAS TO APPROACH
THE CITY IN AN ATTEMPT TO BECOME A MEANINGFUL PARTNER IN A
COLLABORATIVE SOLUTION TO KEEP POST 1 WHERE IT IS. MY COMMUNITY ADVOCATES REALLY
CAME THROUGH FOR ME. THEY WERE INVALUABLE IN GIVING
ME THE EDUCATION I NEEDED IN NAVIGATING THE POLITICAL
LANDSCAPE SURROUNDING DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT. THEY WERE EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE
AND ENCOURAGING. I AM FOR GRATEFUL TO THEM AND
LOOK FORWARD TO MANY YEARS OF FRIENDSHIP AND COOPERATION WITH
THEM. I WAS ALSO SOON INTRODUCE TO DO
CHRIS MACKAY AND HER STAFF AT THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT. I FOUND THE STAFF TO BE FAIR,
ATTENTIVE AND COMPASSIONATE. AFTER SEVERAL MEETINGS I WAS
ABLE TO SECURE A LEASE EXTENSION KEEPING POST 1 ON SITE UNTIL
2020. I ALSO SOUGHT A COLLABORATIVE
SOLUTION TO DEVELOP THE SITE GOING FORWARD. I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT HISTORIC
PRESERVATION. FOR OVER 30 YEARS I HAVE BEEN AN
ADVOCATE FOR DOWNTOWN PRESERVATION. I STILL RESIDE IN A HISTORIC
NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PRESERVATION AT ALL COST IS
NO SERVICE TO NO ONE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT I WANT. THIS IS ABOUT WHAT AMERICAN
LEGION POST 1 NEEDS, WHICH IS A PLACE TO HELP OUR SERVICE
MEMBERS, VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES IN OUR COMMUNITY. SURELY WE CAN AGREE THE MOST
HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE OF THE AMERICAN LEGION MISSION IS WHAT
DESERVES TO BE PRESERVED. HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE POSITION OF
THE AMERICAN LEGION THAT ADAPTIVE REUSE OF OUR CURRENT
FACILITY WOULD BE PREFERABLE. IT IS SOMETHING THE LEGION
WHOLEHEARTEDLY IS BEHIND AS AN OPTION, HOWEVER IT SHOULD REMAIN
JUST THAT, AN OPTION, TO MAKE IT A MANDATE OR RESTRICTION, WE
BELIEVE, LIMITS OUR OPPORTUNITY. I HAVE BEEN ASSURED THE AMERICAN
LEGION WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OFFER INPUT ON THE RFPs
THAT COME IN AND IT IS FOR THESE REASONS THAT THE AMERICAN LEGION
POST 1 ENDOSES THIS RFP PROCESS GOING FORWARD. WE HAVE THE RARE CHANCE TO
BECOME AN EXAMPLE TO THE REST OF THE NATION FOR WHAT CAN BE
ACHIEVED WHEN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, COMMUNITY SERVICE AND
NEIGHBORHOODS COME TOGETHER TO DO SOMETHING TRULY SPECIAL. THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. BEATRICE MOORE FOLLOWED BY BOB
GRAHAM.>>MAYOR GALLEGO, COUNCILMAN
NOWAKOWSKI, AND ESTEEMED COUNCILMEMBERS, WE’RE HERE TODAY
TO TALK ABOUT A VERY IMPORTANT BUILDING THAT CONTRIBUTES
SUBSTANTIALLY TO THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF HISTORIC GRAND AVENUE. THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST
IF NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT BUILDING IN THIS AREA. THIS BUILDING IS ELIGIBLE FOR
HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THAT DOESN’T MEAN THE WHOLE SITE
HAS TO HAVE A HISTORIC OVERLAY ON IT. IT CAN BE JUST THE BUILDING
ITSELF AND SOME OF THE THINGS BEING PROPOSED IN THE RFP,
LOOKING FOR A PLACE THAT CAN HELP SERVICES FOR VETERANS, THIS
BUILDING IS A PERFECT BUILDING TO RENOVATE. IT HAS BEEN UNDERUTILIZED. THERE IS A LOT OF SPACE THAT’S
VERY SPORADICALLY USED. WITH SOME RENOVATION — I’M
PASSING AROUND MY LETTER THAT I’M KIND OF PULLING FROM TODAY
BUT THERE’S ALSO A PICTURE THERE TODAY OF THE BRAGS PIE FACTORY
BUILDING WHICH MY PARTNER AND I PURCHASED IN 2004. A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT
BUILDING SHOULD BE TORN DOWN. PLEASE LOOK AT THE BEFORE AND
AFTER PHOTO WITH THE LETTER THAT’S GOING AROUND. IT WILL SHOW YOU HOW DERELICT
THE BUILDING LOOKED BEFORE WE BOUGHT IT AND WE CUT DOORS OUT,
WINDOWS OUT. JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS ON THE
HISTORIC PRESERVATION LIST DOESN’T MEAN THAT YOU CAN’T MAKE
CHANGES TO IT. WE WERE ABLE TO CUT OUT
STOREFRONTS. WE WERE ABLE TO ADD WINDOWS,
GLASS DOORS TO THE BUILDING, AND IT’S A VERY USABLE ANCHOR
BUILDING ON THAT STREET TODAY. THE AMERICAN LEGION IS THE SAME
THING. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON’T THINK IT
LOOKS VERY GOOD. THAT BUILDING CAN BE FIXED UP
AND IT CAN BE ACTUALLY AN INCREDIBLE CONTRIBUTE ON EVERY
NOT ONLY TO THE HISTORIC FABRIC OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUT PROVIDE
SERVICES FOR VETERANS AT THAT SITE. ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS, WHY
AREN’T WE PROVIDING 100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR VETERANS
AT THAT SITE? IF ANYTHING NEW IS CONSTRUCTED
IN ADDITION TO, SAY, THE HISTORIC BUILDING, AND THAT WAS
AN EARLY CONVERSATION WITH PATRICK AND PEOPLE AT THE
LEGION, WAS ADDING SOME NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR VETERANS,
WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING 100% AFFORDABLE HERE? WHY ARE WE NOT LOOKING FOR 100%
HOUSING FOR VETERANS? THIS IS ALL SELF-IMPOSED BY THE
CITY, THIS RFP, EVERYTHING IN IT. THIS PROPERTY WAS GIVEN TO THE
CITY 100 YEARS AGO SPECIFICALLY FOR THE USE OF THE AMERICAN
LEGION AND VETERANS. WHY ARE WE TRYING TO CHANGE THAT
NOW? WE DON’T NEED ANY MORE —
HOUSING DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH. WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING. PEOPLE ARE GETTING PUSHED OUT OF
DOWNTOWN. PHOENIX HAS STATED VETERANS ARE
THEIR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, HOMELESS VETERANS, TO GET THEM
OFF THE STREET. WE NEED TO PUT PROOF IN THE
PUDDING. WE CAN’T JUST KEEP TALKING ABOUT
THESE ISSUES. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT
IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CHANGE TO
INCLUDE A SUBSTANTIAL HISS TORE PRESERVATION FOR THE BUILDING ON
THE SITE THAT WOULD BE UTILIZED — PERHAPS KEEP THE
HISTORIC BAR THERE, ADD OFFICES AND WHATNOT FOR SERVICES THAT
CATER TO THE VETERANS, PERHAPS EVEN SOME APARTMENTS IN THAT
BUILDING ITSELF, AND THEN THERE COULD BE SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION
ADDED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR VETERANS ALONG THE PERIMETER. BUT WE’RE NOT TAKING ABOUT AN
OVERLAY ON THE WHOLE SITE. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT OVERLAY ON
THE BUILDING WHICH ADDS MORE POTENTIALITY FOR THE REST OF THE
SITE THERE. I HOPE THAT PERHAPS EVEN IF YOU
HAVE TO CONTINUE THIS, TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, WE
WANT WHAT’S BEST FOR THE VETERANS, BUT WE ALSO WANT
SOMETHING THAT’S NOT GOING TO SET A TERRIBLE EXAMPLE ON THE
PART OF THE CITY BY SAYING IT’S OKAY TO TEAR DOWN A 100-YEAR-OLD
BUILDING AND WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE REST OF GRAND
AVENUE ONCE THAT HAPPENS, OTHER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT
EXAMPLE AND SAY, I’M JUST GOING TO TEAR DOWN MY BUILDING ALSO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: BEFORE
YOU LEAVE — HOLD ON A SECOND. MAY I ASK SOME QUESTIONS HERE?>>Mayor Gallego: YES,
COUNCILMAN DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: I HAD
SIMILAR CONVERSATION ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT YOU WERE
TALKING ABOUT WITH CHRIS. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO MAKE
THIS COMPLETELY 100% VETERANS ORIENTED WHEN WE TALKED AT ONE
TIME. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT?>>MAYOR, COUNCILMAN DICICCIO,
WHAT WE BROUGHT FORWARD ON THE SITE TO BRING IT TO DEVELOPMENT
STANDARDS IS TO BRING A MINIMUM OF 30% WORKFORCE OR AFFORDABLE
HOUSING ON TO THE SITE WITH A PREFERENCE TO VETERANS. IT DOES NOT PRECLUDE A SUBMITTER
TO SUBMIT OTHER THINGS ON THE SITE OR OTHER TYPES OF WORKFORCE
HOUSING ON THE SITE. SO THERE ARE, AS WE VISITED, AS
WE VISITED WITH HOUSING ENTITIES, AS WE VISITED WITH
OTHERS, THEY ALSO THOUGHT BESIDES THE VETERANS HOUSING
WORKFORCE HOUSING WAS A GOOD COMPONENT IN DOWNTOWN PHOENIX. AS WE STEP ON THE WEST SIDE OF
7th AVENUE, YOUR HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS BECOME MUCH — YOUR
HEIGHT ABILITY BECOMES MUCH LESS. IT’S 56 FEET AS YOU CROSS OVER. SO THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT YOU
COULD DO ON THE SITE WOULD BRING A LOT MORE WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO THAT IS STILL OUR GOAL, IS TO
IDENTIFY IN THE RFP IT’S A MIXED INCOME SITE IN THE WORKFORCE AND
AFFORDABLE. IT WON’T — WE WON’T SEE THE
PROJECTS THAT WE SEE ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE AND HIGH-RISES
AND OTHERS THAT ARE THE — BECOMING THE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT
RENTS IN THE AREA. THESE WOULD BE MUCH MORE LIKE
WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.>>Councilman DiCiccio: I DO
APPRECIATE THAT. THIS IS ACTUALLY A GREAT
OPPORTUNITY TO FOCUS PRIMARILY ON THE VETERANS. WE TALKED — THAT WAS SOMETHING
THE CITY HAS MADE A GOAL FOR MANY YEARS NOW, AND WHEN IT WAS
GIVEN WE MAY HAVE HAD TO TAKE IT UNDER A LEASE AT THE TIME, I
DON’T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. THAT WAS 100 YEARS AGO. I THINK IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME. I FEEL OLD TODAY, BUT THAT’S
WHAT IT WAS. BUT THIS COULD GIVE US A GREAT
OPPORTUNITY TO FOCUS 100% ON VETERANS. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A FRIENDLY
MOTION HERE TO THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, IF HE WOULD BE WILLING
TO DO IT, TO GEAR THIS ENTIRE PROJECT TOWARD VETERANS,
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT TOWARD VETERANS.>>MAYOR, IF I MIGHT PROVIDE A
PIECE OF CLARIFICATION, AND I WOULD LOOK TO CINDY STOTLER TO
ANSWER THAT. IT’S MY UNDERSTANDING IN
ACCORDING WITH THE FAIR HOUSING ACT WE CONTROL PREFERENCE TO
VETERANS BUT WE CAN’T STATE ONE SPECIFIC ENTITY. I WOULD LOOK TO OUR HOUSING
DIRECTOR TO ANSWER THAT FOR US FOR CLARIFICATION.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YOU’VE
ALREADY SAID IN HERE IT’S GOING TO REQUIRE 25 VETERANS AFFAIRS
SUPPORTIVE HOUSING BASED VOUCHERS. IF YOU CAN DO 25, WHY CAN’T YOU
DO IT ALL?>>MAYOR — MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF
THE COUNCIL, WE OFFERED UP 25 VASH VOUCHERS DURING THE
SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING WHEN IT WAS REQUESTED BY ACTUALLY COUNCILMAN
NOWAKOWSKI TO ENSURE AT LEAST 25 OF THOSE UNITS WOULD BE SET
ASIDE SPECIFICALLY FOR VETERANS. SO IT’S NOT JUST A PREFERENCE ON
THOSE 25. THOSE ARE SET ASIDE SPECIFICALLY
FOR VETERANS. SO THAT IS GUARANTEED VETERANS
HOUSING. WE COULD LOOK AT OFFERING MORE. I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT
THE NUMBER OF VOUCHERS I HAVE AVAILABLE. WE CAN ONLY OFFER WHAT WE HAVE,
BUT WE COULD MAYBE EXPAND THAT. NOT SURE HOW MANY UNITS WE WERE
LOOKING AT IN TOTAL ON THIS DEVELOPMENT.>>Councilman DiCiccio: LIKE I
SAID, IF YOU COULD ADD ONE — THE MINUTE YOU OPEN UP A DOOR —
AVAILABLE VOUCHERS. JIM HAD SOME GOOD LANGUAGE. ALL AVAILABLE VOUCHERS THAT IT
WOULD BE FOCUSED HERE.>>Mayor Gallego: I DO THINK
IT IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER IN THE COMMUNITY PROCESS THERE WERE
PEOPLE WHO CAME FORWARD AND SAID THEY WANTED TO SEE DIVERSE
COMMUNITIES, SO THEY THOUGHT MIXED USE AND MIXED INCOME WAS
VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE DO NEED HOUSING FOR TEACHERS AND
OTHERS WHO WORK IN THE COMMUNITY AND SOME OF THE STAKEHOLDERS,
INCLUDING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, HAVE ALSO SAID THEY LIKE THE
IDEA OF SEEING DIFFERENT MIXES OF INCOMES, THAT DIVERSE
COMMUNITIES CAN BE HEALTHIER. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DO SEE
VALUE IN HAVING A DIVERSITY OF PRICE POINTS. COUNCILWOMAN PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: IF WE
DO ALL VOUCHERS, DOES THAT ELIMINATE — I GUESS I’LL —
WHAT ARE THE CATEGORIES WE USE THE VOUCHERS FOR? BECAUSE THERE’S CATEGORIES THAT
WE HAVE IDENTIFIED.>>MAYOR AND COUNCILWOMAN
PASTOR, IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPES OF VOUCHERS. A REGULAR SECTION 8 VOUCHER IS
AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WITH ANY HOUSEHOLD WITH INCOMES AT 50% OR
BELOW OF AREA MEDIAN INCOME. AND THEN THE VASH VOUCHERS WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT TODAY THAT WE’RE PUTTING 25 ON THIS PROJECT ARE
FOR VETERANS ONLY. THEY COME THROUGH THE VETERANS
ADMINISTRATION. THEY’RE REFERRED BY THE VETERANS
ADMINISTRATION. THEY’RE PROVIDED SERVICES BY THE
VETERANS ADMINISTRATION. THERE IS COMPLICATIONS IF WE
WANT TIC MATE ALL SECTION 8, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK
TO SEE IF I HAVE THE VOUCHERS AVAILABLE. I HAVE TO HAVE THE NUMBER OF
VOUCHERS AVAILABLE TO PUT ON THERE AND THEN DO WE WANT TO
MAKE IT PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, DO WE HAVE TO ADD
SERVICES, REQUIRE SERVICES. IT COMPLICATES IT A LITTLE BIT
MORE.>>Councilman DiCiccio: I
THINK IT’S ALL AVAILABLE VOUCHERS.>>Councilwoman Pastor: MY
UNDERSTANDING IS SERVICES ARE PART OF THE RFP.>>THAT’S CORRECT. SO VETERAN SERVICES AND SOMEONE
ON THE TEAM THAT HAS EXPERIENCE PROVIDING VETERAN SERVICES ARE
ON THE RFP ALREADY TODAY.>>Councilman DiCiccio: AS A
FRIENDLY AMENDMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ALL AVAILABLE VETERAN
VOUCHERS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE SITE, THAT THEY WOULD
HAVE TO BE REQUIRED TO SERVICE THE ENTIRE VETERAN COMMUNITY OF
HOWEVER MANY VOUCHERS WE HAVE, RATHER THAN SAYING A LIMIT OF
25.>>Councilman Waring:
[INAUDIBLE].>>Mayor Gallego: COUNCILWOMAN
WILLIAMS.>>Councilwoman Williams:
CINDY, WHERE ELSE CAN YOU USE THOSE VOUCHERS THAT YOU’RE USING
UP NOW? IS THAT LIKE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
AND SOME OF THE OTHER AREAS THAT WE HAVE SET AS PRIORITIES ALSO?>>MAYOR, COUNCILWOMAN WILLIAMS
AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THESE ARE SPECIFIC VOUCHERS —
IF WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THE VETERANS ASSISTIVE SUPPORTING
HOUSING VOUCHERS, THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY SET ASIDE FOR
VETERANS AND COMING THROUGH THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION. I HAVE 903 TOTAL VOUCHERS. IF THAT’S WHAT WE PUT ON HERE,
THEY ARE NOT MEANT FOR ANYONE EXCEPT VETERANS, HOMELESS
VETERANS.>>Councilwoman Williams:
OKAY. AND ARE VETERANS NOW RECEIVING
THOSE THAT WOULD NO LONGER RECEIVE THEM IF WE MOVED THEM
ALL TO THAT AREA?>>AT THIS TIME I HAVE 251
UNLEASED VOUCHERS, UNUSED VOUCHERS. SO THE ANSWER WOULD BE, NO, AT
THIS TIME I HAVE THE CAPACITY TO — FOR 250 VOUCHERS TO BE
LEASED UP. I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND
SEE — PROJECT OUT SOME USE COMING UP. SO I CAN’T GUARANTEE THAT 250
ARE GOING TO BE OPEN WHEN THIS RFP COMES THROUGH, BUT THERE
WOULD BE PROBABLY MORE THAN 25.>>Councilwoman Williams: YOU
JUST CONFUSED ME. SAY THAT AGAIN.>>I DO HAVE 250 UNLEASED RIGHT
NOW. IF WE USED UP TO 250, NO ONE
ELSE WOULD LOSE THEIR HOUSING. NOW, THEY WOULD LOSE AN
OPPORTUNITY — THESE ARE HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS, THE 250 ARE
HOUSING CHOICE, AND WE’RE SELECTING TO MAKE THEM PROJECT
BASED. SO I AM COMMITTING TO PROJECT
BASED 25 OF THEM SO THEY WOULD BE CONNECTED WITH THIS
DEVELOPMENT. SO WE WOULD LOSE 25 VOUCHER
ABILITY — FOR FOLKS TO GO OUT AND FIND HOUSING SOMEWHERE ELSE. THOSE 250 VOUCHERS, HOUSING
CHOICE VOUCHERS ARE FOR VETERANS TO FIND HOUSING WHEREVER THEY
WANT TO LIVE. THAT’S THE ONLY CHANGE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THERE. 25 OF THEM WOULD HAVE TO GO TO
THIS SITE ONLY.>>Councilwoman Williams:
OKAY. SO, CHRIS, HOW MANY UNITS WILL
THIS BE?>>WE DON’T YET. IT DEPENDS HOW THE RFPs ARE
SUBMITTED. AS THEY COME IN, THERE COULD BE
SEVERAL HUNDRED UNITS THAT COME ON TO THE SITE. IT COULD BE A HUNDRED. IT COULD BE 200. WHEN YOU LOOK AT A SITE OF THIS
SIZE AND SCOPE AND WHAT COULD BE BUILT WHILE STILL MAINING THE
ELEMENTS OF THE SITE AND MIXED USE AND MIXED INCOME ON THE
SITE, BETWEEN 100 AND 200 UNITS WOULD NOT BE — WOULD NOT BE
UNUSUAL FOR US TO SEE ON THIS SITE. SO PERHAPS AS WE’RE HAVING THIS
DISCUSSION MAYBE A WAY TO WORD THE RFP THAT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL
ON THE MIXED INCOME AND MIXED WORKFORCE, WE HAVE OUR 25 THAT
ARE DEDICATED TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE, AND OTHERS COULD BE USED
AS WELL, BUT WHAT IF A PART OF THE RFP AND A CONCEPT FOR THE
COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WOULD BE THEN WE SAY OUR 30% THAT WE’RE
REQUIRING OF WORKFORCE OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH A
PREFERENCE TO VETERANS, THEN GETS US TO THE 25 UNITS PLUS
ANOTHER 30% THAT ARE ON THAT SITE. SO WE’VE HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE
VETERANS VOUCHERS, AND THAT COULD GET THE COUNCIL A
WELL-ROUNDED WORKFORCE PROJECT ON THE SITE, WHETHER TEACHERS,
PREFERENCE TO VETERANS AND OTHERS WHO ARE IN THE SITE, AND
CREATING A VERY NICE PROJECT IN DOWNTOWN THAT COVERS BOTH OUR
AFFORDABLE ON OUR VETERANS SIDE AND OUR WORKFORCE ON OUR
VETERANS AND OTHER SIDE, CREATING A NICE MIXED USE
PROJECT.>>Councilwoman Williams:
ACTUALLY, I LIKE THAT IDEA. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE INCLUDE
THAT.>>Councilman DiCiccio: MAYOR? SO WHEN THE LAND WAS GIVEN TO
THE CITY OF PHOENIX ON A 99-YEAR LEASE IT WAS DONE FOR THE
VETERANS. THAT’S WHAT IT WAS DONE FOR. WHEN WE HAVE 251 AVAILABLE
VOUCHERS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THAT’S 251 VETERANS THAT DON’T
HAVE A HOME SOMEWHERE. ALL I WAS SAYING IS THAT
WHATEVER IS AVAILABLE THEY WOULD HAVE TO GIVE A PREFERENCE TO
THOSE VETERANS FIRST. I THINK IT’S VERY SIMPLE. I DON’T WANT TO OVERCOMPLICATE
IT. LINDA KNOWS ME, WANT — EVERYONE
KNOWS ME, I WANT HE IT VERY SIMPLE. IF THERE IS 250 VETERANS OUT
THERE, THEY GET TO USE THE VOUCHERS FIRST. THIS IS WHAT I DO. IT’S MY INDUSTRY. I SAY WE STAY WITH WHAT IT WAS
INTENDED TO BE USED FOR, KEEP THE AMERICAN LEGION THERE ON A
99-YEAR LEASE THAT IS DONE WITH A DEED RESTRICTION, AND THEN
WHAT WE DO IS WE JUST BASICALLY PUT IN THERE THAT THE — IF WE
HAVE AVAILABLE VOUCHERS THEN THE MILITARY VETERANS GET TO USE IT. I WILL SUPPORT IT IF THE MAKER
OF THE MOTION WOULD BE WILLING TO PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE ON
A FRIENDLY MOTION.>>IF — I JUST WANTED TO MAKE
SURE I CLARIFY WHAT YOU SAID. SO WHAT YOU’RE SAYING IS THE 250
AVAILABLE VOUCHERS, THIS WOULD BE A UP VOLUNTARIER PROJECT FOR
THE SITE THAT’S DEVELOPED, SO ALL 250 —
>>Councilman DiCiccio: IF THEY DECIDE TO. A VETERAN MAY DECIDE THAT MAY
NOT BE WHERE THEY WANT TO LIVE. AGAIN, THAT GIVES THEM FIRST
PRIORITY TO LOOK AT THAT. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 250 VETERANS
THAT NEED A HOME. WE DON’T — THAT WE HAVE
AVAILABLE. THEY HAVEN’T FOUND A PLACE YET. THIS GIVES THEM AN ALTERNATIVE. THEY MAY CHOOSE NOT TO BE THERE. BUT THERE WOULD BE A PREFERENCE
FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT CHOOSE THAT LOCATION.>>COUNCILMAN DICICCIO, AS WE
TAKE IT OUT FOR AN RFP, THE VOUCHERS ARE PART OF WHAT THE
RFP WOULD BE, SO THAT WHOEVER IS BIDDING WHAT THEY ARE BIDDING ON
IS THE 250 VOUCHERS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE.>>Councilman DiCiccio: OKAY. THAT’S AVAILABLE. THAT’S 250 TODAY. MAY BE 300 TOMORROW. WHO KNOWS.>>AND THE SECOND PIECE OF THE
POINT OF CLARIFICATION IS THAT AS WE TAKE THE RFP OUT, WE CAN
HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT IT PROVIDE VETERAN SERVICES, THAT
IT PROVIDE COMMUNITY SERVICES FOR VETERANS. WE CAN’T SPECIFICALLY STATE ONE
VETERANS ORGANIZATION.>>Councilman DiCiccio:
AGREED.>>Mayor Gallego: VICE MAYOR
WARING.>>Councilman Waring: SO I
THINK YOU SAID BEFORE YOU DON’T KNOW HOW MANY ACTUAL SPACES
THERE WILL BE. YOU KIND OF KNOW HOW MANY
VOUCHERS YOU THINK YOU HAVE, BUT YOU DON’T KNOW HOW MANY ROOMS A
PROPOSER WOULD INCLUDE IN THE PROJECT. IS THAT FAIR?>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>Councilman Waring: SO IF
THEY READ THE 250 — I JUST — I GUESS I’LL GIVE AN EXAMPLE. I WOULD HATE TO HAVE SOMEONE WHO
IS GOING TO PROPOSE A — AN AWESOME 200-ROOM FACILITY, NOW
IT’S LIKE 250, I HAVE TO EXPAND IT, I HAVE TO CHANGE IT AROUND,
I’M NOT GOING TO BID. WILL WE STILL GET SMALL BUT NICE
PROPOSALS? AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE VOUCHERS
LEFT OVER. ARE YOU READING THIS AS IF WE
HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 250 ROOMS AND ABOVE? BECAUSE I DON’T THINK — I DON’T
THINK THAT’S WHAT’S BEING MEANT BUT I’M AFRAID THAT MIGHT BE HOW
YOU ARE INTERPRETING.>>THERE ARE 250 UNLEASE
VOUCHERS RIGHT NOW. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE
AVAILABLE FOR PROJECT BASING FOR THIS PROJECT WHEN THIS RFP COMES
THROUGH. WE HAVE COMMITMENTS OUT THERE. I’M ASKING STAFF, TRYING TO TEXT
RIGHT NOW AT THE TABLE HOW MUCH WE HAVE COMMITTED OUT THERE. I BELIEVE WE HAVE ALREADY
COMMITTED UP TO 50 OR 100 OF THOSE 250. SO I CAN’T MAKE A COMMITMENT AT
THE TABLE OF 250 VOUCHERS WOULD BE AVAILABLE SPECIFICALLY FOR
THIS PROJECT. PROBABLY MORE THAN 25. SO — I CAN’T SAY 250. SO I DON’T WANT EVERYBODY STUCK
ON THAT NUMBER AT THIS TABLE — ORE AT THIS MEETING.>>Councilman Waring: AT LEAST
IN MY CASE I WAS USING IT AS SORT OF A BENCHMARK, BUT THAT’S
GOOD INFORMATION. SO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 250
IS THE MAGIC NUMBER WE’LL HIT ON. IT MAY WIND UP BEING MORE
VOUCHERS THAN ACTUAL AVAILABLE SPACE IN THIS PROJECT, IN WHICH
CASE THE VOUCHERS WOULD ROLL BACK OVER TO WHO THEY WERE
INTENDED FOR TO BE USED IN OTHER FACILITIES. IS THAT CLEAR? I THINK THAT’S ABOUT AS CLEAR AS
I CAN –>>LET ME SEE IF I CAN REPEAT
THAT BACK. THEN THE CONCEPT WE’RE
DISCUSSING WOULD BE 100% VASH BASED VOUCHER DEVELOPMENT ON THE
SITE.>>Councilman Waring: I
GUESS — NO, I WOULD SAY — I DON’T — OKAY — SO IF SHE COMES
BACK AND SAYS THE NUMBER IS 150, I’M JUST MAKING UP THAT NUMBER,
DON’T WORRY, 150, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN WITH AN AWESOME 200,
THEY SHOULDN’T BE LIMITED TO 150 THEN. DO YOU SEE WHAT I AM SAYING? THERE COULD BE 200 SPACES BUT
ONLY 150 VOUCHERS. I DON’T THINK WE WERE TRYING TO
LIMIT IT TO THE NUMBER OF VOUCHERS. WE WANT TO HAVE A GOOD PROJECT. WE WANT TO USE THE VOUCHERS FOR
THIS PURPOSE THAT ARE AVAILABLE. WE UNDERSTAND WE CAN’T DOUBLE
DIP ON THE VOUCHERS. IF THEY ARE COMMITTED SOMEWHERE
ELSE, THEN THEY ARE COMMITTED SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE’LL GET THAT NUMBER WHENEVER
SHE CAN COUNT THE NUMBER.>>LET ME — AND SO NOW —
SORRY, I THINK I UNDERSTAND NOW. SO WHAT YOU’RE PROPOSING IS THAT
THE PROJECT WOULD — THE PROJECTS THAT THE HOUSING
DEPARTMENT COULD MAKE AVAILABLE AS PROJECT-BASED VOUCHERS FOR
THIS PROJECT, THOSE WOULD BE LISTED IN THE RFP, THAT NUMBER,
IT’S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND THE NUMBER, AND WE WOULD LIST
THOSE. THE BALANCE COULD BE — WOULD BE
WORKFORCE AND MARKET RATE, SOMEBODY COMES IN —
>>>>Councilman Waring:
SOMETHING ELSE.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I
THINK SHE ANSWERED THE QUESTION. I WAS LOOKING AT CINDY IN THE
SENSE OF COULD WE LOOK AT THE VOUCHERS THAT ARE UNCOMMITTED. SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE THEN — YOU
WOULD KNOW, NOT RIGHT NOW, BUT AFTER THIS MEETING, YOU WOULD BE
ABLE TO SAY THIS IS THE — THIS IS HOW MANY VOUCHERS ARE
COMMITTED AND THE ONES THAT ARE NOT COMMITTED THEN COULD GO
TOWARDS THIS PROJECT?>>YES. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL,
COUNCILWOMAN PASTOR, WE COULD — WE COULD DO THAT, ONCE I GO BACK
AND CONFIRM HOW MANY WE HAVE UNCOMMITTED, WE COULD COMMIT
THOSE TO THIS RFP AND SAY UP TO THAT MANY VOUCHERS, AND THE —
THE PROPOSER MAY NOT TAKE ALL OF THOSE. THEY MAY TAKE SOME OF THEM AND
DO A DIFFERENT MIX. SO, YES, WE COULD DO THAT.>>Councilman DiCiccio: THAT
WORKS.>>Councilman Nowakowski: JUST
CLARIFICATION, WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE VETERANS ARE
GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE HOUSING, AND IF IT’S POSSIBLE TO
PUT A PERCENTAGE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO THAT — SAYING THAT 60% OR
50% OR THE MAJORITY WOULD GO TO VETERANS AND WORKFORCE HOUSING? AND THOSE THAT NEED THE
VOUCHERS, THEN WE CAN SUPPLY THOSE IF IT’S AVAILABLE, RIGHT?>>ABSOLUTELY. THIS COUNCIL CAN PUT THAT
PERCENTAGE ON THIS TO SAY THAT IT IS 50P, 60%, 30% WORKFORCE OR
AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH A PREFERENCE TO VETERANS, AND UP
TO THIS NUMBER OF VASH VOUCHERS ARE AVAILABLE THAT ARE PROJECT
BASED SHOULD THEY USE THEM.>>Councilman Nowakowski: I
WOULD BE HAPPY WITH 60%, AND THAT BASICALLY DEPENDING ON WHAT
THE RFP COMES IN, IF IT’S 100 UNITS OR 200 UNITS, 200-PLUS,
THEN AT LEAST WE’RE SECURING 60 UNITS.>>Councilman DiCiccio: AT
LEAST 60%. THE MAKER OF THE MOTION, AGAIN,
AT LEAST 60% BE DIRECTED TOWARDS VETERANS.>>Councilman Waring: I’M GOOD
IF YOU GUYS ARE SURE YOU CAN IMPLEMENT THAT.>>Mayor Gallego: AND WE
HAVE –>>Councilman Waring:
THAT’S –>>I MISSED WHAT YOU SAID.>>Councilman Waring: MAYBE —
MAYBE, SAL, YOU SHOULD REPEAT IT OR —
>>Councilman DiCiccio: GO AHEAD — AT LEAST 60% OF THE
HOUSING UNITS ARE TO BE DIRECTED TOWARD VETERANS. I THINK THAT’S A GOOD
COMPROMISE. I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT
OPPORTUNITY. WE’VE TALKED ABOUT IT. NOW IT’S TIME TO ACT ON IT. IT’S TIME TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE
VETERANS THAT PROTECTED USOLOGY THESE YEARS AND OUR — AND NOW
IT’S TIME TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING BACK. SOMETHING THE SCALE OF THIS I
THINK WILL BE SIGNIFICANT. ALSO THAT WE WILL BE DEED
RESTRICTING THAT A VETERANS RELATED ORGANIZATION, CAN’T SAY
AMERICAN LEGION, A VETERANS RELATED ORGANIZATION GOING TO BE
THERE FOR THE NEXT 99 YEARS, OR WHATEVER WE DO IN THE SALE I
THINK IS GOING TO BE FANTASTIC AND ALLOWS US TO GIVE A LARGE
OPPORTUNITY TO THOSE VETERANS THAT PROTECTED US. THANK YOU, MAYOR.>>Mayor Gallego: COUNCILWOMAN
PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: IT’S
PREFERENCE, RIGHT?>>WE DO HAVE TO SAY A
PREFERENCE TO VETERANS. HE.>>Councilwoman Pastor: THAT’S
THE WAY I WROTE IT. THAT’S WHY I’M ASKING.>>Mayor Gallego: BOB GRAHAM.>>THANK YOU, AND GOOD
AFTERNOON, MAYOR GALLEGO AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. MY NAME IS BOB GRAHAM. MY ADDRESS IS 351 WEST PORTLAND
STREET HERE IN PHOENIX. I’M A HISTORICAL ARCHITECT AND
ALSO A LONG-TIME MEMBER OF THE CENTRAL CITY VILLAGE PLANNING
COMMITTEE, ALTHOUGH I’M NOT REPRESENTING THE COMMITTEE
TODAY. I ALSO, MORE RELEVANT TO TODAY,
SERVE AS PRESIDENT OF THE GRAND AVENUE MEMBERS ASSOCIATION, ALSO
KNOWN AS GAMA, WHICH REPRESENTS THE GRAND AVENUE AREA, WHICH
INCLUDES THE POST PROPERTY, AND I ALSO HAPPEN TO BE COAUTHOR OF
THE NATIONAL REGISTRY NOMINATION THAT SHOWED THAT AMERICAN LEGION
POST NUMBER 1 IS A VERY IMPORTANT HISTORIC PROPERTY TO
THE CITY OF PHOENIX. SO I JUST HAVE A COUPLE POINTS I
WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD CONSIDER AS WE GO FORWARD. THE FIRST IS THIS. I BELIEVE THAT AS A CITY PHOENIX
HAS A VERY STRONG RECORD OF HISTORIC PRESERVATION. WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY IN THE
LAST 30 YEARS. AND PARTICULARLY IN PROMOTING
HISTORIC PRESERVATION TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR. WE HAVE DEMOLITION MORATORIUMS,
HISTORIC PRESERVATION OVERLAYS AND SUCH THINGS AS THAT. BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY HAS
AN OBLIGATION OR A RESPONSIBILITY TO REALLY LEAD
THE WAY IN THAT ENDEAVOR. WHEN YOU HAVE A CITY-OWNED
PROPERTY LIKE THIS, HOW CAN YOU EXPECT A PRIVATE SECTOR TO PUT
UP WITH PRESERVATION OVERLAYS IF THE CITY ITSELF WILL NOT
PRESERVE THE HISTORIC BUILDING IT OWNS. I THINK TO DO OTHERWISE WOULD
UNDERMINE OUR HIS TORQUE PRESERVATION EFFORTS IN THE
FUTURE. SECONDLY AS AN ARCHITECT AND
PRESERVATIONIST I WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW RESPECTFUL PRESERVATION
OF THE POST PROPERTY IS IN MY OPINION PERFECTLY FEASIBLE,
THERE IS NO REASON WE CAN’T REHABILITATE THAT PROPERTY AND
ACTIVATE THE EMPTY PORTIONS OF THE SITE AND INCREASE THE
DENSITY AND DO THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE ECONOMIC
SENSE WHILE STILL PRESERVING THE THINGS THAT MAKE THE BUILDING AN
IMPORTANT HISTORIC BUILDING. SO, THEREFORE, I JUST WOULD LIKE
TO ASK THAT — A REQUIREMENT BE ADDED TO THE REQUEST FOR
PROPOSALS THAT THE DEVELOPER PRESERVE THE HISTORIC BUILDING. WITHOUT DESTROYING ITS
HISTORICAL INTEGRITY, THAT THE DRAFT LANGUAGE CONSIDERING
INCORPORATING ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING. IT’S MEANINGLESS WHEN YOU COME
TO PRESERVATION, AND THE IDEA OF AN INTERPRETIVE FEATURE AS A
SUBSTITUTE FOR PRESERVATION I THINK ALSO IS UNACCEPTABLE. HISTORIC PRESERVATION IS ABOUT
PRESERVING THE PLACE, NOT THE MEMORY, AND AN INTERPRETIVE
FEATURE MAY AS WELL BE A GRAVESTONE READING HERE ONCE LAY
AMERICAN LEGION POST NUMBER 1. THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. DR. JOAN KELCHNER?>>MAYOR GALLEGO, CITY
COUNCILMEMBERS, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JOAN KELCHNER. I LIVE AT 318 WEST LYNWOOD IN
THE ROOSEVELT DISTRICT TO THE EAST OF THIS SIDE. I WAS ONLY A FEW THINGS TO SAY
AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF ARE YOUR EXCELLENT DISCUSSION SO FAR
AND HOW YOU ARE COVERING THE HOUSING ISSUE AND THE VETERANS
ISSUE. COUNCILMAN DICICCIO, I COULD NOT
AGREE WITH YOU MORE IT SHOULD BE 100% VETERANS. I WOULD LIKE TO THROW IN ANOTHER
SMALL SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION JUST TO CONFUSE YOUR WORDING. WHEN I SPOKE WITH LISA GLOW WHO
IS THE CEO OF CASS, SHE HAD THAT LAST YEAR THEY SAW AT LEAST 500
VETERANS WHO CAME THROUGH CASS BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T HAVE A PLACE
TO LIVE, AND THIS IS NOT JUST PEOPLE WITH PSYCHOTIC OR
PSYCHIATRIC OR SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEMS. THEY SIMPLY DIDN’T HAVE A PLACE. WE ARE LOSING MORE AND MORE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISSUE
OBVIOUSLY IS IMPORTANT BUT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THOSE
VETERANS WERE SENIORS. SENIORS ARE LOSING HOUSING WHICH
THEY CAN AFFORD AT AN ALARMING RATE. SO IF WE CAN’T SAY THAT WE CAN
PUT ALL AFFORDABLE UNITS HERE TOWARDS VETERANS, I THINK THERE
IS LEGITIMATE LEGAL WORDING THAT COULD PERHAPS INCLUDE MORE
VETERANS WHO ARE SENIORS. THAT WOULD ALSO HELP THEM A
GREAT DEAL BECAUSE AT CASS THEY SEE SENIORS COMING IN WHO NEED
NOTHING BUT HOUSING, AND THEY’RE NOT FINDING ANYWHERE. THEY’RE LOOKING AT TWO-YEAR WAIT
LISTS FOR SENIORS. THAT’S JUST HORRIBLE. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD A COUPLE OF
OTHER THINGS ABOUT THE HISTORIC. ONE THING THAT I WANT TO SEE
SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED ADDED TO THE BUILDINGS AND THE BUILDINGS
NEED TO BE SAVED, ESPECIALLY THE ONE WITH THE BAR RESTAURANT,
BECAUSE THAT’S PART OF THE HISTORIC ESSENCE OF THIS, IS THE
FLAGPOLE. THAT FLAGPOLE WAS — THAT
ORIGINAL — NOT THE ORIGINAL ONE, I’M SURE, BUT IT’S LIKE A
LANDMARK DOWNTOWN IT’S SO TALL. I THINK IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE
PLAN AND PERHAPS THAT COULD BE INCLUDED IN THE RFP. THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS
THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE SETTING UP A PANEL WHICH WILL INCLUDE
CITIZENS TO REVIEW THE RFPs. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MYSELF TO
BE ON THAT PANEL AS WELL AS THE SPEAKERS YOU HAVE HEARD SO FAR. THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CARD NOT
WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSAL. QUESTION FOR STAFF. COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE
FLAGPOLE AND THEN WE ALSO GOT SOME DIFFERENT COMMENTS FROM
DOWNTOWN STAKEHOLDERS ABOUT GATEWAY AND THE FACT IT IS A
GATEWAY TO OUR DOWNTOWN, SO GATEWAY FEATURES.>>MAYOR, ABSOLUTELY. AS WE HAVE BEEN OUT IN THE
COMMUNITY, THE FLAGPOLE WAS ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THINGS
THAT WE HEARD ABOUT, AND IN FACT I LOOK OUT MY WINDOW AT THAT
FLAGPOLE EACH AND EVERY DAY. SO I REALLY ENJOY LOOKING AT THE
FLAGPOLE. AS WE’RE MOVING FORWARD THAT
SHOULD — SHOULD COUNCIL CHOOSE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD,
MAINTAINING THAT FLAGPOLE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT FOR THIS
PROPERTY. SO WE WILL MAKE THAT A
REQUIREMENT OF THE RFP TO MAINTAIN THE FLAGPOLE. WE ALSO DID HEAR FROM THE
COMMUNITY AS WE WENT OUT OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS VISITING WITH
THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF
THIS PROPERTY, AND THEY DID DISCUSS HOW IMPORTANT THIS WAS
AS A GATEWAY ELEMENT INTO THE WEST SIDE OF DOWNTOWN AND INTO
GRAND AVENUE, AND THAT IS ALSO LISTED IN OUR CREATION OF PLACE
FOR POINTS AS CREATING THAT GATEWAY ELEMENT COMING INTO THE
DOWNTOWN AND INTO GRAND AVENUE.>>Mayor Gallego: FABULOUS. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL COUNCILMEMBER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCILWOMAN PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I JUST
WANT CLARITY ON THE WHOLE MOTION.>>Mayor Gallego: WE DO HAVE A
COUNCIL MEETING NEXT WEEK. SO IF WE WANTED TO CONTINUE THE
ITEM AND MAKE SURE THAT WE SPELL IT OUT EXPLICITLY SO THAT
EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR, THAT’S ALSO AN OPTION.>>COUNCILMAN WARING: CAN I ASK
A QUESTION? DO THAT END I WAS GOING TO WRAP
UP. DO YOU KNOW WHAT WE INTENDED? I CAN TRY TO RESTATE, BUT —
>>I BELIEVE I KNOW WHAT YOU INTENDED, AND WE ALWAYS FIND IT
HELP AS STAFF IF WE GO BACK AND WATCH THE VIDEO RECORDINGS AND
WORKING TOWARDS MAKING SURE WE MEET THE VIDEO RECORDING. AS I UNDERSTAND IT THIS IS A
PROJECT WE WOULD TAKE OUT FOR RFP. FIRST WE WOULD HAVE A 99-YEAR
RESTRICTION REQUIRING AFFORDABLE AND WORKFORCE HOUSING ON NOW UP
TO 60% OF THE SITE AND THAT WE MAINTAIN A VETERANS PRESENCE IN
SERVICES FOR THE VETERANS WITH A 99-YEAR DEED RESTRICTION ON THE
SITE. THE SITE IS TO BE LIST ON THE
RFP AS FOR SALE OR LEASE AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE ELEMENTS OR
PORTIONS OF THE BUILDING CONSIDERED UNDER PART OF THE
PROPOSAL — UNDER THE CONCEPT TO ACTIVATE THE SITE ADDITIONAL
POINTS WOULD BE GIVEN IF THEY MAINTAINED FEATURES AND PORTIONS
OF THE SITE. FINALLY THROUGH THE CONVERSATION
TODAY AS WE’VE HAD IT IT WOULD BE TO 60% OF AFFORDABLE OR
WORKFORCE HOUSING WITH A PREFERENCE TO VETERANS AND THE
AVAILABLE VASH VOUCHERS ON THE PROJECT WOULD BE APPLIED TO THE
PROJECT. WE KNOW TODAY THAT’S A MINIMUM
OF 25 VOUCHERS, AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE HOUSING DIRECTOR TO
IDENTIFY WHAT OF THOSE ARE AVAILABLE. THE VASH VOUCHERS DO NOT LIMIT
THE PROPOSERS IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY COULD FIT ON THE
SITE SHOULD THEY CHOOSE TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL WORKFORCE AND
MARKET RATE.>>Councilman Waring: THANK
YOU. I THINK THAT LAST — THAT WAS
PRETTY GOOD. MAYBE IT WAS AN EXCELLENT
DISCUSSION AFTER ALL. I WAS SKEPTICAL.>>Councilman DiCiccio:
AMAZING.>>Councilman Waring: WE WERE
KIND OF ALL OVER THE PLACE. CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION? ONE OF THOSE DETAIL QUESTIONS. WHAT IF — SO LET’S SAY THERE IS
100 UNITS. THEN 60 WOULD BE SET ASIDE. WHAT IF WE DON’T HAVE 60
VOUCHERS?>>MAYOR, VICE MAYOR WARING, THE
VOUCHERS WOULD BE AVAILABLE, BUT THEN THERE’S ADDITIONAL
WORKFORCE HOUSING. THERE ARE SOME OF OUR VETERANS
AS WE’VE DISCUSSED TODAY THAT ARE ABLE TO AFFORD A PORTION OF
THE RENT, NOT NECESSARILY NEEDING VASH VOUCHERS, THEY CAN
AFFORD A CERTAIN LEVEL OF RENT AND THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING COULD
MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.>>Councilman Waring: SO IT’S
NOT NECESSARILY LIMITED — THE 60% IS NOT NECESSARILY LIMITED
TO HOW MANY VOUCHERS WE HAVE.>>THAT’S NOT MY UNDERSTANDING.>>Councilman Waring: I WANT
TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN’T GET SOME GREAT PROJECT AND SOMEHOW THERE
IS SOME TECHNICALITY WE COULDN’T MEET WHAT WE PASSED AND WE WOULD
HAVE TO THROW IT OUT.>>THAT WASN’T MY UNDERSTANDING. NYE UNDERSTANDING WAS UP TO 60%
ON WORKFORCE OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH A PREFERENCE TO
VETERANS AND IF WE DIDN’T HAVE THOSE ALL AVAILABLE WE WOULD
STILL MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.>>Councilman Waring: THANK
YOU.>>Councilwoman Stark: I DON’T
MEAN TO BELABOR THE VOUCHERS, BUT VOUCHERS — THERE IS A
CHOICE FOR THE VELDT RUN, RIGHT? THEY DON’T HAVE TO SAY I WANT TO
LIVE HERE. IF WE GIVE THEM A VOUCHER, THEY
CAN GO ANYWHERE THAT WE HONOR THOSE, CORRECT? BECAUSE I STILL WANT THEM TO
HAVE CHOICES.>>AS I SAID, THE 250 UNLEASED
VOUCHERS RIGHT NOW ARE CHOICE VOUCHERS. AS THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION
IDENTIFIES HOMELESS VETERANS THEY GIVE THEM THESE VOUCHERS
AND THEY CAN CHOOSE WHERE TO LIVE. IF WE PICK 25 OR MORE TO PLACE
ON THIS PROPERTY, THEN THEY CAN CHOOSE TO COME LIVE THERE. OR THEY CAN TAKE THE CHOICE
VOUCHERS. THEIR CHOICE.>>Councilwoman Stark: SO THEY
STILL HAVE A CHOICE. I MEAN, NOT EVERYONE — NO
OFFENSE, NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO LIVE IN DISTRICT 7. I SUSPECT SOME VETERANS MAY WANT
TO LIVE IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE
THEY STILL HAVE THAT CHOICE.>>YES.>>Councilman DiCiccio: MAYOR,
JUST ANOTHER POINT OF CLARIFICATION. SO JUST TO BE VERY CLEAR, IF WE
HAVE 100 UNITS AND 60 VETERANS WANT TO LIVE THERE, THEY GET
FIRST RIGHT OF REFUSAL THERE, RIGHT? THEY GET TO BE ABLE TO CHOOSE
THAT FIRST PREFERENCE, RIGHT?>>YOU ARE CORRECT.>>Councilman DiCiccio: I
WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT’S ON THE RECORD BECAUSE THIS WENT
THROUGH QUITE A BIT — YOU’RE AMAZING TO REMEMBER ALL THAT. YOU’RE LIKE SAM IN MY OFFICE. HE HAS A PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY. NEVER HAS TO TAKE A NOTE. I DON’T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT, BUT
I WISH I COULD TEACH MYSELF HOW TO DO THAT. BUT, YEAH, IT’S GOING TO BE 60%
WILL BE GEARED TOWARDS VETERANS. THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: ANY FURTHER
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GARCIA.>>Councilman Garcia: YES.>>Clerk: GUARDADO.>>Councilwoman Guardado: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Councilwoman Williams: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Mayor Gallego: YES.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YAY
AGAIN.>>Mayor Gallego: PASSES
UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM 73.>>Councilman DiCiccio: NOW WE
START TO DIVIDE.>>Councilwoman Williams: 73,
I MOVE APPROVAL.>>Councilwoman Pastor:
SECOND.>>Mayor Gallego: ANY —
>>Councilman Nowakowski: MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
SUBSTITUTE MOTION ON THAT. WE’RE ON ITEM NUMBER 73, RIGHT?>>Mayor Gallego: CORRECT.>>Councilman Nowakowski:
FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT WE
DON’T APPROVE THE TWO-MONTH EXTENSION. WE’VE BEEN APPROVING THE
EXTENSION FOR OVER A YEAR NOW AND I THINK IT’S TIME FOR US TO
MAKE A DECISION IF WE’RE GOING TO HAVE PRESENCE IN MEXICO OR
NOT. I THINK NOT HAVING A PRESENCE IN
MEXICO FOR TWO MONTHS IN THE SUMMERTIME WOULDN’T HURT US THAT
MUCH. I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH THE
STATE OFFICE IF THERE’S ANY MEETINGS SET UP IN THE NEAR
FUTURE, AND BESIDES THAT, I THINK THAT WE PUT SOME LANGUAGE
IN THE RFP TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE’S SOME ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT RFP, AND I JUST REALLY
WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET OUR FAIR SHARE OF BUSINESSES, JUST
LIKE THE OTHER CITIES ARE THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES,
AND I’VE BEEN ON MANY OF THOSE TRIPS, AND IT’S MOSTLY MEETING
POLITICIANS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF IS BUSINESSES
MEETING BUSINESSES, BRINGING THOSE BUSINESSES HERE TO
PHOENIX, AND OPENING SHOP HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. SO IF WE CAN ACTUALLY KIND OF
PUSH THAT WAY, AND THAT’S WHY I’M ASKING FOR A NO ON THIS
EXTENSION.>>Mayor Gallego: WE HAVE A
SUBSTITUTE MOTION. DID WE HAVE A SECOND?>>Councilwoman Williams: YES. — NOBODY SECOND — ON THIS
ITEM, 73. YES, WE HAD A MOTION AND A
SECOND. [INAUDIBLE]
>>Mayor Gallego: COUNCILWOMAN WILLIAMS WANTED TO COMMENT.>>Councilwoman Williams: IF I
UNDERSTAND RIGHT, CHRIS, THIS IS ALREADY OUT IN THE PROCESS. THEY HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED AS THE
ONES THAT COULD DO THE BEST JOB FOR US, AND NOW THERE’S A
CHALLENGE, AND THAT’S THE REASON WE NEED THE 60-DAY DELAY — OR
EXTENSION. YOU’RE NOT GOING OUT FOR A NEW
RFP, RIGHT?>>CORRECT.>>Councilwoman Williams: AND
SO THIS HAS GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS BUT NOW WE HAVE TO
ACCOMMODATE WHOEVER CHALLENGED IT, LET THEM HAVE A FAIR
HEARING, AND IF THEY SUCCEED IN THEIR CHALLENGE, THEN THEY WOULD
BE BROUGHT BACK AS A PERSON THAT WOULD DO THIS. OTHERWISE, IT WOULD REMAIN WITH
ALVAREZ.>>WE DID — THIS COUNCIL DID
AUTHORIZE US TO ISSUE AN RFP AND COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI’S
COMMENTS, THE STAFF LISTENED TO COUNCIL’S COMMENTS THAT WE WERE
PROTOCOL HEAVY IN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS OF OUR OFFICE. SO NEW THE RFP WAS ISSUED TO
REQUIRE BUSINESS TO BUSINESS, FOREIGN DIRECT INVESTMENT, NEW
DEVELOPMENT. IT REQUIRES A — IT REQUIRES LAW
FIRMS, IT REQUIRES FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. SO THAT WAS THE NEW RFP WENT AS
THE COUNCIL HAD DECIDED MOVING FORWARD IN MORE OF A
BUSINESS-TO-BUSINESS AS OPPOSED TO PROTOCOL. WE DID RECEIVE FIVE PROPOSALS,
TWO OF WHICH WERE DISQUALIFIED. THREE DID MOVE FORWARD. AND WE — WE HAVE A RECOMMENDED
PROPOSER WE WERE PREPARED TO BRING FORWARD TO COUNCIL. WE HAVE RECEIVED A PROTEST BY
ONE OF OUR VALID PROPOSERS, AND THEN WE DID RECEIVE A SECOND
PROTEST FROM ONE OF THE DISQUALIFIED PROPOSERS. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF
RESPONDING TO THOSE PROTESTS, BUT THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE SET
FORTH AS A CITY WE RESPOND TO THEIR PROTESTS, AND THEN THEY
HAVE SEVEN DAYS TO APPEAL OUR RESPONSE TO THEIR PROTEST. THAT WOULD TAKE US PAST COUNCIL
CLOSING FOR THE SUMMER, IF YOU WILL, ON JULY 3rd. TO KEEP OUR MEXICO OFFICES OPEN
AND OPERATING, AS WE DO HAVE SEVERAL MISSIONS, WE WERE ON ONE
LAST WEEK, WE HAVE SEVERAL OF OUR BUSINESSES WE’RE WORKING
WITH WITH OUR MEXICO OFFICES NOW, TO KEEP THEM OPEN FOR THE
SUMMER, WE’RE ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING
CONTRACT WHILE WE SORT OUT THE EXISTING RFP AND COME BACK TO
YOU AT YOUR FIRST AVAILABLE MEETING IN SEPTEMBER TO BRING
THE RECOMMENDED PROPOSER FORWARD DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THE
PROTEST.>>Councilwoman Williams: SO
THIS JUST KEEPS THIS OPEN THROUGH THE SUMMER UNTIL THE
MATTER IS RESOLVED.>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>Councilwoman Williams: THEN
I’M VERY COMFORTABLE IN GOING FORWARD WITH WHAT’S BEING
RECOMMENDED. I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT THAT WE
KEEP IT OPEN. I KNOW — YOU AND I HAD A
PREVIOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES THAT HAVE
CONNECTED OR ARE REALLY INTERESTED, AND I WOULD HATE TO
SEE ANY A 60-DAY CLOSURE SO THAT THEY WEREN’T STIFLED IN ANY WAY
FROM DOING BUSINESS IN PHOENIX.>>Councilman Nowakowski: I
HAVE A QUESTION.>>Mayor Gallego: COUNCILMAN
NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: SO
YOU’RE SAYING WE DON’T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO RESPOND TO THE
PROTEST, RIGHT?>>WE HAVE TIME TO RESPOND TO
THE PROTEST, BUT THEY RECEIVE A SEVEN-DAY APPEAL ON OUR RESPONSE
TO THE PROTEST. IT’S THE APPEAL PROCESS WOULD
THAT TAKE US PAST JULY 3rd.>>Councilman Nowakowski: AND
THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR OVER A YEAR NOW — WHEN WAS
THE EXTENSION OF THIS FIRST EXTENSION HAPPEN?>>THE ORIGINAL RFP THAT WAS
ISSUED — THE ORIGINAL PROCUREMENT THAT WAS ISSUED WAS
IN 2013. IT CALLED FOR TWO — FIRST TWO
YEARS, WHICH TOOK US THROUGH 2015, AND THEN THERE WERE THREE
ONE-YEAR EXTENSIONS BY THE CONTRACT THAT THE CONTRACT
APPROVE BY THE COUNCIL IN 2013, WHICH BRINGS US TO THE END OF
JULY OF THIS YEAR.>>Councilman Nowakowski: SO
WE HAD THREE OTHER EXTENSIONS, AND THIS WILL BE THE FOURTH
RIGHT?>>THAT’S CORRECT. THEY WERE THE ANNUAL EXTENSIONS
THAT WERE CALLED FOR IN THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT THAT WAS
CREATED.>>Councilman Nowakowski:
THANK YOU.>>Councilwoman Stark:.>>Councilwoman Guardado: I
WILL I’LL SECOND COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI’S MOTION.>>Mayor Gallego: WE HAVE A
SUBSTITUTE MOTION. THE MOTION IS TO DENY ITEMS —
73 WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. SO WE WOULD VOTE FIRST ON
COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI’S MOTION — RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR READY
TO VOTE? OKAY. ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GARCIA.>>Councilman Garcia: YES.>>Clerk: GUARDADO.>>Councilwoman Guardado:
BLESS YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Councilwoman Williams: NO.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Mayor Gallego: YES. SO MOTION PASSES 6-3. ITEM 79 IS RELATED TO
AMMUNITION. COUNCILMEMBER — WE HAVE —
>>Councilman Waring: MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 79.>>Mayor Gallego: WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. WE HAVE — SORRY, WE HAVE A
MOTION.>>Councilwoman Williams:
SECOND.>>Mayor Gallego: WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN WILLIAMS. WE HAVE ONE CARD WISHING TO
SPEAK AND A VERY LARGE NUMBER IN SUPPORT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR THE CARD
FIRST OR COMMENT?>>Councilwoman Guardado: I
JUST HAVE A QUESTION. THE QUESTION HERE IS HOW IS IT
DETERMINED THE NEED? SO WHAT IS THE NEED AND HOW IS
THE NEED DETERMINED? SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF THE
INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED A COUPLE YEARS A– OR A YEAR AGO AT THE
CONVENTION CENTER WITH THE TRUMP RALLY, I NEED MORE ON HOW THIS
AMOUNT AND WHAT THE NEED IS FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT ARE THE
EXPECTATIONS OR WHY — WHY ORDER THIS.>>
>>MAYOR GALLEGO, COUNCILMEMBER GARCIA, WHAT THIS ITEM WOULD
ALLOW US TO DO IS A USE A STATE COOPERATIVE CONTRACT TO PURCHASE
ITEMS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS
REPLENISHING ITEMS WE HAVE. THESE AREN’T NEW ITEMS. AND THESE ITEMS ARE LESS LETHAL
PRODUCTS. THEY WILL BE UTILIZED BY OUR
SPECIAL ASSIGNMENTS UNIT, OUR DOWNTOWN OPERATIONS UNIT AND OUR
FIREARMS TRAINING DETAIL. SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE
SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED INCLUDE FLASH BANG DIVERSIONARY DEVICES
AS THE NAME WOULD IMPLY, THE DEVICE EMITS A BRIGHT FLASH
FOLLOWED BY A LOUD BANG MEANT TO BE A DIVERSIONARY DEVICE. THAT CHEMICAL AGENTS, RIOT
CONTROL AGENTS, LESS LETHAL IMPACT WEAPONS AS WELL. WHAT THESE ITEMS ALLOW US TO DO
IS WHEN IT IS APPROPRIATE TO DO SO NOT USE SUCH ITEMS AS BATONS,
WHICH SOME OTHER AGENCIES USE, WHICH OUR OFFICES IN THESE
SITUATIONS DON’T EVEN CARRY, OR USE LETHAL FORCE IN THOSE
SITUATIONS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO
DE-ESCALATE THOSE ENCOUNTERS, LIMIT INJURY, AND LIMIT
SUBSEQUENT TO THAT ALSO PERHAPS ANY PROPERTY DAMAGE THAT MAY
OCCUR.>>Councilman Garcia:
REPLACING, YOU MEAN — THEY’RE EXPIRED OR — WHAT DOES THAT
MEAN?>>PERHAPS THE PROPER TERM WOULD
BE TO REPLENISH WHAT WE HAVE.>>Councilman Garcia: OKAY.>>Councilman Nowakowski: I
HAVE A QUESTION.>>Mayor Gallego: COUNCILMAN
MICHAEL NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski:
CHIEF, IF WE DIDN’T REPLENISH THESE — THIS SUPPLY, WHAT WOULD
BE LEFT IN INDICATES OF THERE WAS A SITUATION WHERE WE WOULD
HAVE TO USE SOME TYPE OF RESTRAINT —
>>WE WOULD RUN THE RISK OF NOT HAVING THESE TOOLS AVAILABLE TO
US.>>Mayor Gallego: COUNCILMAN
DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: I WANT
TO MAKE SURE WE’RE CLEAR ON THIS, TOO THAT THAT THE FIRST
SENTENCE HERE, REQUEST THE AUTHORIZE — AUTHORIZE THE CITY
MANAGER OR DESIGNEE TO ALLOW THE USE OF STATE OF ARIZONA
COOPERATIVE CONTRACT WITH DIAMONDBACK POLICE SUPPLY
COMPANY INC. FOR THE SUPPLY OF INFORMATION PRODUCTS STATEWIDE. IT DOESN’T LIMIT IT JUST TO THIS
CONTRACT. IT LIMITS — JUST SAYS WE’RE
ALLOWED TO USE THE STATEWIDE — WHICH I’M A STRONG SUPPORTER OF. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE’RE CLEAR
ON THAT. IT ALLOWS US TO PURCHASE IN THE
FUTURE AS WELL, CORRECT? THAT’S WHAT THE SENTENCE IS. THAT’S THE WAY IT’S WORDED.>>I WANT TO MAKE SURE I
UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. THIS IS ALLOWING US TO PURCHASE
UP TO $425,000 OF THESE ITEMS, THE AGGREGATE VALUE OF THE
CONTRACT.>>Councilman DiCiccio: IT
SAYS THIS AGGREGATE CONTRACT, THIS CONTRACT. IT DOESN’T SAY THAT HERE. IT SAYS USE THE LAW INDICATION
OF THE STATE OF ARIZONA COOPERATIVE CONTRACT FOR
AMMUNITION PRODUCTS STATEWIDE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE’RE ABLE
TO DO THIS ON A CONTINUING BASIS IF WE NEED TO. THAT’S WHAT IT SAYS HERE.>>City Mgr. Zuercher: THERE’S
TWO ASPECTS OF IT. ONE IS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO USE
THE CONTRACT, THAT IT’S A VALID CONTRACT PROCURED APPROPRIATELY,
AND THAT CONTRACT WOULD BE WITH DIAMONDBACK POLICE SUPPLY. THE SECOND PART OF THIS IS THAT
WE WOULD HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO SPEND UP TO $425,000 ON THAT
CONTRACT IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDED MORE THEY
WOULD NEED TO RETURN TO THE COUNCIL TO GET MORE PAYMENT
AUTHORITY ABOVE 425,000.>>Councilman DiCiccio:
CORRECT. BUT WE’RE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE
COOPERATIVE TO DO THIS?>>RIGHT.>>City Mgr. Zuercher: IT
WOULD ALLOW US TO USE THE COOPERATIVE.>>Councilman DiCiccio: THAT’S
WHAT I’M HAPPY WITH.>>Councilwoman Pastor: IT’S
JUST USING THE STATE CONTRACT, BEING ABLE TO USE THE STATE
CONTRACT.>>City Mgr. Zuercher:
CORRECT.>>Councilman DiCiccio: FOR
ANY FUTURE PURCHASE. I’M ONE OF THOSE GUYS BELIEVES
POLICE OFFICERS NEED TO HAVE BULLETS.>>City Mgr. Zuercher: THIS IS
A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT TERM, AND SO WE COUSE THE CONTRACT FOR
FIVE YEARS. IF WE NEED TO USE IT FOR MORE
THAN 425,000 –>>Councilman DiCiccio: I
DON’T WANT TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT OR ANYTHING ELSE. I THINK OUR OFFICERS NEED TO BE
ARMED, ARMED WITH BULLETS, ARMED WITH GUNS, THEY NEED TO BE ARMED
WITH EVERYTHING AVAILABLE IN THE TOOL CHEST. I DON’T WANT TO SIT HERE AND
SUGAR COAT IT, BECAUSE I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY DIRECTLY WHAT IT
IS WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO AND THIS CONTRACT ALLOWS US TO DO
THAT. I AM GOING TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF
IT, MAYOR.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. WE HAVE 15 — COUNCILMAN GARCIA.>>Councilman Garcia: I
BELIEVE THE OPPOSITE. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HE ‘SEEN IN
THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS AND LAST COUPLE YEARS HAS PROVEN THIS
POLICE DEPARTMENT IS NOT ABLE TO PROPERLY USE THESE WEAPONS. WE’RE IN A LAWSUIT RIGHT NOW
BECAUSE OF IT. AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT
UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT THE REVIEW BOARD, THE AD HOC COMMITTEE AND
GET SOME ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION AND POLICY TO BE ABLE TO BETTER
TRAIN THE OFFICERS AND THAN ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE PROBLEMS
WE’RE HAVING THAT WE DO NOT SUPPORT ANY MORE SPENDING FOR
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.>>Mayor Gallego: WE HAVE ONE
CARD FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAKS AS WELL AS 15 NOT WISHING
TO SPEAK BUT IN SUPPORT OF THE ITEM. THE CARD WISHING TO SPEAK IS
OPPOSED. LUKE BLACK.>>GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL. MY NAME IS LUKE, A RESIDENT OF
DISTRICT 5. I AM SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO
THIS CONTRACT. I THINK IT IS IMMORAL AND
IRRESPONSIBLE FOR YOU TO CONTINUE TO GIVE ADDITIONAL
AMMUNITION TO A DEPARTMENT THAT HAS PROVEN THAT IT WILL USE
THOSE AGAINST THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY, AND I WOULD — SO I
WOULD JUST — I WOULD ASK YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS, ON THIS
MEASURE, DO NOT APPROVE THIS. WE DO NOT — THERE IS NOT
SIGNIFICANT PROTOCOL IN PLACE TO ASSURE THAT POLICE OFFICERS EVEN
KNOW HOW TO USE THIS EQUIPMENT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO PIVOT OFF
OF THAT AND COMMENT TO MAYOR GALLEGO THAT YOU PROMISED 30
DAYS THAT YOU WOULD BEGIN TO TAKE ACTION TO REIN IN THE
PHOENIX POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR USE OF VIOLENCE. YOU ARE NOW SEVEN DAYS INTO THAT
AND YOU ARE GOING ON VACATION ON JULY — AFTER THE JULY 3rd
VOTE. I RECOGNIZE THAT YOU HAVE CALLED
A MEETING ON JULY 2nd TO TALK ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION OF THE AD
HOC COMMITTEE TO OVERSEE POLICE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE PAST 10
YEARS AND THAT YOU HAVE CALLED A MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THE
CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD. JUST TALKING ABOUT THOSE IS NOT
ENOUGH. YOU NEED TO COME PREPARED ON
JULY 3rd WITH YOUR TIMELINE AND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
THIS COUNCIL TO VOTE ON FOR HOW YOU’RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT BOTH
THAT AD HOC COMMITTEE AND THAT CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD. PLEASE TAKE US SERIOUS. PLEASE TAKE THE VIOLENCE OF THE
PHOENIX POLICE SERIOUS. WE NEED REAL TIMELINE. WE NEED A REAL IMPLEMENTATION
PROCESS. YOU PROMISED THAT, AND THIS
COUNCIL OWESES IT TO THE RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY. THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?>>Councilman DiCiccio:
MAYOR — GO AHEAD.>>Mayor Gallego: COUNCILMAN
DICICCIO AND THEN WARING.>>Councilman DiCiccio: TO
THAT END, REGARDING WHATEVER IS GOING TO HAPPEN, ONE, I BELIEVE
THERE IS A FALSE NARRATIVE OCCURRING RIGHT NOW THAT THESE
POLICE OFFICERS ARE BAD, AND IT’S ALWAYS QUALIFIED WITH, WE
LOVE OUR OFFICERS BUT — IT’S GIVING THE IMPRESSION. THE CITY OF PHOENIX POLICE
DEPARTMENT HAS DONE SOMETHING WRONG. THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG. AS A MATTER OF FACT, AS PART OF
THIS I WANT TO MAKE SURE — AND I BELIEVE — ED, I LOVE YOU AND
ALL, I THINK YOU’RE A GOOD GUY, BUT I THINK YOU’RE PUTTING
POLITICAL PRESSURE TO FIRE THOSE POLICE OFFICERS AND I WANT TO
MAKE SURE EVERY COMMUNICATION BETWEEN YOURSELF AND ANY
POLITICIAN, INCLUDING MILE SELF IS DOCUMENTED AND ANY
COMMUNICATION YOU OR YOUR STAFF HAS WITH THE POLICE CHIEF
EXPECTING THEM TO FIRE OR DO ANYTHING OR GIVE THEM DIRECTION
OTHER THAN WHAT IS COMING OUT OF IT, I WANT THAT ALL DOCUMENTED. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT’S GOING TO
HAPPEN TO THOSE POLICE OFFICERS, AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE’S A LOT
OF PRESSURE BEING PUT ON YOU, I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I UNDERSTAND
THE CITY IS WORRIED SOMETHING BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN OUR
CITY. YOU DO NOT SACRIFICE ONE PERSON
FOR ANY REASON. NEVER SACRIFICE SOMEBODY WHO HAS
DONE THE RIGHT THING. THESE ARE POLICE OFFICERS. THAT MEANS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO
DO THE RIGHT THING. IF YOU GUYS IN THE
ADMINISTRATION END OF IT DO SOMETHING WRONG, THEN IT’S ON
YOUR HEAD. YOU GUYS WILL HAVE DONE THIS —
IF YOU TAKE A POLITICAL MOVE FOR ANY REASON TO HURT A POLICE
OFFICER — SMALLER THAN YOU, LOWER THAN YOU, YOU WILL HAVE TO
LIVE WITH THAT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE IN YOUR CONSCIENCE. I LOVE YOU GUYS, BUT I’LL TELL
YOU WHAT, I WILL GO AFTER — I WILL DO WHATEVER I HAVE TO DO, I
HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH CITY STAFF, I AM GOING TO LET IT
OUT THERE. I DID IT ALREADY. I SAID YOU DO THE RIGHT THING. YOU’RE POLICE OFFICERS. THAT MEANS YOU DO NOTHING
POLITICALLY MOTIVATED AT ALL. IF OFFICERS DID SOMETHING RIGHT,
GREAT. IF THEY DID SOMETHING WRONG, YOU
HAVE TO GO AFTER THEM. THAT’S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT
FOR POLITICAL REASONS AND I WANT IT ALL DOCUMENTED. IS THAT CLEAR? ARE WE CLEAR ON THAT? CHEER? ARE WE CLEAR? IT’S A “YES” OR “NO.”>>YES, SIR.>>Councilman DiCiccio: AM I
GOING TO HAVE DOCUMENTATION OF ANY COMMUNICATION BETWEEN CITY
STAFF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THAT’S A “YES” OR “NO.”>>MAYOR GALLEGO, COUNCILMAN
DICICCIO, YES.>>Councilman DiCiccio: THANK
YOU. THAT’S ALL I WANT TO KNOW. I’M VOTING YES ON THIS. HE.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I HAVE
A QUESTION.>>Mayor Gallego: I HAVE A
QUESTION AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT.>>Councilman Waring: THIS IS
AN ITEM THAT GIVES THE POLICE OFFICERS TO DO THE TOOLS TO DO
THEIR JOBS. YOU KNOW, WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE
IN MY DISTRICT, WHICH I DID ALL WEEKEND, AND MONDAY AND TUESDAY
NIGHT, PEOPLE, I THINK RIGHTFULLY ARE INTERPRETING THAT
THE OFFICERS ARE DOING, ONE, THE BEST JOB THEY CAN. IT IS AN IMPERFECT WORLD. WE’RE EXPECTING PERFECTION OUT
OF THEM. WE CAN DELAND EXCELLENCE BUT
EXPECTING PERFECTION IS A FOOL’S ERRAND. IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. THEY HAVE INCREDIBLY HIGH STRESS
JOBS WHICH IS ALMOST NEVER MENTIONED BY SPEAKERS AT THAT
PODIUM. IT’S NEVER GOING TO GO
PERFECTLY, PARTICULARLY — 90% — WHAT IS IT, 89% OF THE
FIVE-YEAR STUDY THAT WAS IN THE “ARIZONA REPUBLIC” TALKED ABOUT
PEOPLE THAT YOU HAD THIS YOU HAD TO SHOOT AT BASICALLY BEING
ARMED, SORT OF THE INSANE CIRCUMSTANCES WITH WHICH THE
OFFICERS FIND THEMSELVES. IT IS VERY DISCOURAGING WHEN I
HAVE TO HEAR YOU GUYS BEING MICROMANAGED LIKE THIS. I DON’T THINK THAT’S FAIR. I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND
IF SOMEBODY IS POINTING A GUN AT YOU IT’S JUST SURVIVAL THAT’S OF
INTEREST, AND FRANKLY I WANT THE OFFICERS TO GO HOME TO THEIR
FAMILIES. IF YOU’RE POINTING A GUN AT AN
OFFICER, YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE SOMETHING BAD COULD HAPPEN. THAT SHOULDN’T BE SOMETHING THAT
HAS TO BE EXPLAINED. WE’RE TRYING TO GIVE THEM HERE
NONLETHAL TOOLS BY AND LARGE TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS OHM
SAFE BUT IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES WE HAVE TO SUPPORT THE OFFICERS. THE BROAD STATEMENTS ABOUT —
ONE WAS JUST MADE, BUT IT WAS LAST WEEK IT WAS MURDERERS,
RAPISTS, THE GESTAPO ONE I REALLY THOUGHT WAS — IT’S HARD
TO GO BELOW THE BELT WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CALLING
EVERYBODY A BLANKET STATEMENT THAT 3,000 PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING
TO SERVE THE PUBLIC ARE MURDERERS, BULL THEN YOU GO TO A
NEW LOW WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT GESTAPO. I DON’T KNOW WHAT TO TO MAKE OF
THAT. IT’S ABHORRENT AND WRONG AND NOT
SOMETHING THEY SHOULD HAVE TO SIT HERE AND LISTEN TO BUT THEY
DID AND I APPLAUD THEM FOR THEIR GRACE UNDER FIRE, SHALL WE SAY,
VERBAL FIRE. I JUST — BOTTOM LINE, I MEAN,
IT’S GOT TO BE INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING FOR THEM TO HEAR
THIS AND TO BE PAINTED WITH A BROADBRUSH, OBVIOUSLY NOT ALL
3,000 OFFICERS ROUGHLY ARE PERFECT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT
TO SAY THAT THEY AS A BLANKET STATEMENT CANNOT HANDLE THESE
TOOLS, WELL, THEY HAVE THOUSANDS, TENS OF THOUSANDS,
ASSISTANT CHIEF KURTENBACH DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF
INTERACTIONS THE OFFICERS HAVE WITH THE PUBLIC EVERY YEAR IN
THE AGGREGATE? THAT MAY NOT BE A KNOWABLE
NUMBER –>>WE RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY 2.3
MILLION CALLS INTO OUR COMMUNICATIONS CENTER LAST YEAR
WITH ABOUT 700,000 DISPATCH CALLS IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER
DAILY CONTACTS OUR OFFICERS HAVE.>>Councilman Waring: SO I MAY
HAVE BEEN WRONG ABOUT THIS PREVIOUS VOTE ON THE CAMERAS. I MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE ONLY ONE
THAT VOTED AGAINST THAT THAT I CAN’T REMEMBER. I VOTED AGAINST THE CAMERAS
BECAUSE THE COST OF THE CAMERAS IS, I THINK, THE EQUIVALENT OF
44 OFFICERS. IF MEMORY SERVES. THOSE 44 OFFICERS WOULD HAVE HAD
THOUSANDS OF INTERACTIONS WITH THE PUBLIC, GIVING DIRECTIONS,
STOPPING CRIMES, ADMINISTERING CPR AND SO FORTH. THE CAMERAS ARE USED IN VERY FEW
CASES. TRAGIC THOUGH THEY ARE. I’M NOT DIMINISHING THEIR
IMPORTANCE. AND I’M NOT SAYING IN EVERY
SINGLE INSTANCE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS RIGHT BUT I DO NOT
BELIEVE ANY OFFICER IS GOING OUT TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS
WRONG. THAT AGAIN IS RIDICULOUS. THERE ARE OCCASIONS WHERE I’M
SURE PROCEDURES AREN’T FOLLOWED AND THE DEPARTMENT WILL ADDRESS
THAT TO THE POINT WHERE THE CURRENT SITUATION WITH THE
CURRENT OFFICERS I THINK IT IS WRONG TO BE OUT JUDGING THEM IN
PUBLIC. WE ARE NOT PROFESSIONAL — NONE
OF US UP ARE PROFESSIONAL OFFICERS OR KNOW CHAPTER AND
VERSE WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE, BUT THERE ARE EXPERTS WHO WILL
EVALUATE THIS AND LET US KNOW. TO SAL’S POINT IT SHOULDN’T BE
JUDGED ON POLITICAL MERITS BUT ON THE MERITS OF THE PERFORMANCE
OF THE OFFICERS. IT IS EASY TO FLY SPECK ONE
VIDEO THAT IS TRUNCATED OF ONE INCIDENT. HOW MANY TIMES DOES HAS THAT
HAPPENED? IT DOES HAPPEN A FEW TIMES A
YEAR. IS IT TRAGIC? SURE, IT IS. BUT IT’S NEVER GOING TO BE
PERFECT WHEN YOU HAVE — WHAT WAS THE NUMBER? 2.3 MILLION INTERACTIONS? AND WE TALK ABOUT A HANDFUL
EVERY YEAR. I DON’T THINK THAT’S A FAIR
STANDARD. I DON’T KNOW HOW ANYBODY LOOKS
THEMSELVES IN THE MIRROR AND SAYS THAT’S A STANDARD I THINK
THEY SHOULD LIVE UP TO, IT NEEDS TO BE PERFECT UNDER THE
CIRCUMSTANCES WE’VE SEEN. I’VE GOT THE REPORTS FOR THE
LAST, I THINK IT WAS 2016, ’17 AND HALF OF ’18 IN MY OFFICE. RATHER LENGTHY ANALYSIS OF EACH
SHOOTING INCIDENT, WHETHER IT WAS A FATAL OR NOT. I WOULD SAY THE VAST MAJORITY —
I HAD WRITTEN DOWN NOTES, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT
IT — WERE THE PUBLIC CALLED IN THERE IS SOMEBODY WITH A GUN
RUNNING THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY’RE SHOOTING. COULD YOU PLEASE HELP. WHAT ARE THE OFFICERS SUPPOSED
TO DO? IMAGINE THAT’S YOUR
NEIGHBORHOOD. I ALWAYS TRY TO SIT BACK AND
IMAGINE THAT IT’S MINE. WHAT WOULD I WANT THEM TO DO? THERE’S SOMEBODY WITH A GUN WHO
JUST COMMITTED AN ARMED ROBBERY OR SOMETHING, THEY’RE RUNNING
TOWARDS MY HOUSE. WHAT WOULD I WANT THE OFFICERS
TO DO? THEY’VE GOT SECONDS TO REACT. THEY DO IT IN THE NFL WITH A LOT
LESS SERIOUS REPERCUSSIONS. PEOPLE GET ALL OVER THE
REFEREES. THAT’S WHAT WE’RE DOING HERE. I DON’T THINK THAT’S FAIR. I DON’T KNOW HOW ANYBODY WOULD
SAY THAT’S FAIR. THESE GUYS ARE IN LIFE OR DEATH
SITUATIONS. THE MEN AND WOMEN ON THE FORCE
ARE TRYING TO DO A GOOD JOB. THEY DON’T GET PAID A KING’S
RANSOM. THEY ARE INCREDIBLY STRESSFUL
SITUATIONS. THEN, BOOM, THEIR REWARD IF THEY
ARE ARGUABLY SUCCESSFUL, DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME, IS
THEY GET FLY SPEC’ED, AND I HAVE TO WONDER, WE DON’T DO ENOUGH
FOLLOW-UP WHAT HAPPENED TO OFFICERS IN THESE SITUATIONS
AFTER THE THING IS ADJUDICATED OR THE LAWSUIT IS OVER OR THE
STANDARDS BOARD IS DONE. THEY GOT TO LIVE WITH THAT
FOREVER. THEIR NAMES ARE OUT THERE
FOREVER. I DON’T THINK THAT’S FAIR. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY
THAT. TO SAY WE’RE NOT GOING TO GIVE
THEM THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO STAY ALIVE I THINK IS FUNDAMENTALLY
WRONG. SO THANK YOU.>>JOE COOR.>>GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND
COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JOE COLOR, RETIRED
PHOENIX POLICE OFFICER OF 34 YEARS. I HADN’T PLANNED ON SPEAKING
UNTIL I HEARD SOME OF THE COMMENTS HERE TODAY. IT’S VERY SAD TO SEE OUR CITY IN
THIS STATE, TO BE QUITE HONEST WITH YOU, AND I THANK YOU, SAL,
AND COUNCILMAN WARING, WITH REGARDS TO YOUR ANALYSIS. I THINK CORRECT ANALYSIS MUCH
WHAT WE SEE HERE.>>Councilman DiCiccio: THEY
ARE GOING TO SCREW THOSE OFFICERS OVER AND WE HAVE TO
STOP THEM BY GETTING THEM TO DOCUMENT EVERY CONVERSATION WITH
CITY STAFF, JOE.>>MUCH I THIS I BELIEVE IS
POLITICALLY MOTIVATED. WE JUST DID A 150,000 STUDY ON
THE 44 SHOOTINGS WE HAD, AND THAT NARRATIVE OR THAT HEADLINE
COULD JUST AS EASILY READ PHOENIX POLICE OFFICERS FACE
MORE DEADLY THREATS THIS YEAR THAN IN THE PAST. THE FACT IS THOSE SHOOTINGS, AND
THIS IS A NONSTARTER, WHEN YOU START CLASSIFYING POLICE
OFFICERS DOING THEIR JOBS LAWFULLY AND JUSTIFIABLY AND
MURDERERS, THAT DOES NOT HELP THE CONVERSATION. THAT IS NOT CONSTRUCTIVE
DIALOGUE. I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT BRET
LONDEN HAS ASKED TO SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH YOU, MR. — COUNCILMAN
GARCIA. I AM GOING TO LEAVE MY CARD HERE
WITH THE SAME INVITATION. CALL US. IF YOU WANT SOME GRIEVANCES,
LET’S TALK. BUT YOU CAN’T SIT UP HERE AND
CHARACTERIZE POLICE OFFICERS AND MURDERERS FOR DOING THEIR JOB. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOWS —
THAT IS A NONSTARTER WITH US. THERE IS NOBODY IN THIS
COMMUNITY THAT CARES MORE ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY
THAN THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT GO OUT THERE EVERY DAY AND PUT
THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. WE’RE NOT PERFECT. NEITHER ARE YOU. BUT WE’RE NOT GOING AWAY. THE COMMUNITY IS NOT GOING AWAY. IF YOU REALLY HAVE AN INTENT TO
TRY TO FIX THINGS, THEN SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH THE BOOTS ON THE
GROUND AND LET’S FIND OUT HOW TO DO THAT. BUT LET’S STOP THE RHETORIC AND
THE INSULTING INSINUATION THAT POLICE OFFICERS ARE MURDERERS,
BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT. THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. YOU’RE WORKING HARD IN PHOENIX
TO HAVE THE BEST DEPARTMENT POSSIBLE. OUR GOAL IS FOR EVERY ON EVERY
TO COME HOME SAFELY AND EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AND WE WILL
CONTINUE TO MAKE INVESTMENTS TO STRENGTHEN OUR POLICE FORCE. WE HAVE NO ADDITIONAL CARDS ON
THIS ITEM. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME
FORWARD AND TESTIFY, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND FILL OUT A
CARD ONCE YOU ARE DONE.>>HI, I WASN’T GOING TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS ANDREA
[INDISCERNIBLE]. I AM A DISPATCHER FOR THE
PHOENIX POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I AM VERY PROUD OF THAT, AND TO
HAVE COUNCILMAN GARCIA SIT UP THERE AND SAY THAT OUR OFFICERS
ARE BAD OR THESE PEOPLE SAY THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE BAD, IT’S
HEARTBREAKING TO ME. I TAKE THAT HOME. AND WHEN THIS VIDEO CAME OUT, WE
SAT THERE IN OUR DISPATCH CENTER, AND WE TOOK CALLS FROM
THESE PEOPLE THREATENING TO KILL OUR FAMILIES, OUR FAMILIES. I DID NOTHING. I DID NOTHING TO ANYBODY. MY FAMILY DID NOTHING. THESE PEOPLE CALLED US WITH THE
WORST CALLS THAT YOU CAN EVER IMAGINE THREATENING OUR OFFICERS
ON THE STREET, THREATENING US PERSONALLY. WHAT DID WE DO? WHY ARE THEY SO OKAY WITH THIS? THAT’S NOT OKAY. WE WANT TO GIVE OUR OFFICERS
MORE AMMUNITION TO DO THINGS LESS LETHAL SO THEY DON’T HAVE
TO DO THIS, AND YOU WANT TO SIT UP THERE AND SAY, NO, I SAID’
GOING TO SAY NO. THEY’RE TRYING TO DO THEIR JOB
IN A WAY THAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO IT, WITH LESS LETHAL, BUT DID
ANYBODY SEE THE VIDEO WITH THE GIRL AND THE HUSBAND WERE
STEALING? NO. NO ONE SAW THAT. IT’S JUST THE VIDEO OF OUR
OFFICERS TRYING TO DO THEIR JOB WHEN THIS VEHICLE FLED FROM
POLICE. WE HAVE TO TALK TO THEM. WE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THEIR
LIFELINE THAT HAVE TO GET THEM BACKUP. WE ARE RIGHT THERE WITH THEM AND
IT’S EMOTIONAL FOR US AS WELL, AND THEN TO GO AND SIT ON THE
PHONES AND BE CALLED ALL THESE NAMES, THAT — BY PEOPLE THAT
ARE JUST SO CONCERNED. I HAVE NEVER BEEN CALLED SO MANY
NAMES IN MY LIFE AND I’M A DISPATCHER, FOR CHRIST’S SAKE. THAT’S RIDICULOUS. THESE PEOPLE ACT LIKE THEY’RE SO
GOOD. THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT
THEY’RE DOING. THEY DON’T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY. FOR YOU TO SAY, NO, OUR OFFICERS
DON’T NEED MORE LESS LETHAL WEAPONS, IT’S NOT EVEN THINKING
ABOUT THE WHOLE PICTURE. THAT’S ALL THEY’RE ASKING FOR. THEY’RE VERY WELL TRAINED. THEY KNOW THEIR JOB. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I WORK WITH
THEM EVERY DAY. I SIT THERE AND I TALK TO THEM. I GO ON CALLS WITH THEM. I TAKE CALLS FOR THEM. I TALK TO CITIZENS, CITIZENS
THAT CALL US AND ASK US FOR HELP BECAUSE THEY CAN’T CONTROL THE
SITUATION. SO WHAT DO MY OFFICERS DO? THEY GO OUT THERE AND THEY HELP
THEM TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY. AND THEN THESE SAME PEOPLE CALL
US AND WANT TO PUT US DOWN AND THREATEN MY FAMILY. MY FAMILY. THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW MY FAMILY. THEY DON’T EVEN KNOW ME. IT’S RIDICULOUS, AND IT’S
HEARTBREAKING TO ALL OF US DISPATCHERS THAT HAVE TO LISTEN
TO THIS. IT’S NOT JUST THE OFFICERS ON
THE STREET THAT THEY’RE THREATENING. IT’S THE DISPATCHERS. IT’S THE JAIL STAFF. IT’S ANYBODY WHO WORKS FOR THE
PHOENIX POLICE. IT’S CODE ENFORCEMENT. IT’S ALL OF US. THEY DO THIS TO ALL OF US. AND IT’S — IT HAS TO STOP. YOU GUY TO STOP THIS.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. WE WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE WHO
RECEIVES A THREAT, PLEASE REPORT IT.>>Councilman DiCiccio: MAYOR,
I — MAYOR, I HAVE PUT IN A REQUEST TO GET COPIES OF THOSE
TAPES, AND I STILL HAVEN’T RECEIVED THEM. SO I THINK MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA
AND OTHERS WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT’S HAPPENING THAT —
FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT HASN’T BEEN RELEASED, I WOULD LIKE TO
KNOW WHY, THOSE CALLS TO OUR DISPATCHERS IN PARTICULAR, THE
THREATS, ALL THE NEGATIVE STUFF THAT OCCURRED. I WOULD LIKE TO GET COPIES OF
THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT
AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. AND FROM MY END AGAIN I’M JUST
GOING TO REPEAT THIS, ED, ONE OFFICER, AT THE LOWEST LEVEL, IS
MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY OF OUR POLITICAL CAREERS, PERIOD. YOU DO NOT PROTECT US AND WHAT
WE WANT TO DO OR ANYBODY ELSE OVER THE LIFE AND CAREER OF ONE
OFFICER. AND YOU GUYS, YOU GOT TO DO THE
RIGHT THING. YOU’VE GOT TO DO IT. YOU’RE POLICE OFFICERS. YOU’RE NOT GOING TO BOW TO
POLITICAL PRESSURE. THAT’S ALL I WANT TO KNOW. AND THAT YOU’RE GOING TO DO THE
RIGHT THING. THANK YOU, MAYOR.>>MY NAME IS LEONARD CLARK. I WAS BORN HERE IN PHOENIX. FIRST OF ALL, NOBODY IS
CALLING — AT LEAST — THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT MIGHT SAY ALL THE
POLICE ARE BAD, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT SAY ALL THE POLICE ARE
PERFECT. NEITHER IS TRUE. OKAY? ALL RIGHT? FIRST OF ALL, I’M NOT ONE OF
THOSE PEOPLE WHO HATE THE POLICE. BUT WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE
FACT THAT WE’RE ONE OF THE LAST MAJOR CITIES IN THE UNITED
STATES OF AMERICA THAT DOES NOT HAVE A CIVILIAN REVIEW BOARD
WITH REGULATORY POWERS, DESPITE WHAT THE POLICE CHIEF SAYS. NOW, I THANK THE OFFICERS WHO
HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES, OFFICERS WHO HAVE SACRIFICED, BUT THERE
IS A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM GOING ON. THERE IS A CANCER. AS THE REVEREND — WARREN STUART
SR. SAID AT THE CHURCH THERE IS A CANCER. I BELIEVE IN UNIONS, BUT YOU
HAVE TO POLICE YOUR OWN. IF YOU DON’T POLICE YOUR OWN,
THEN PEOPLE GET DESPERATE. IT’S A CYCLE OF HATE. I’M NOT GOING TO FALL INTO THIS
TRAP OH, THE POLICE ARE PERFECT, OR THE POLICE ARE ALL EVIL. BUT WE DO HAVE A PROBLEM. YOU COULD WATCH THOSE VIDEOTAPES
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SEE GOING UP TO AFRICAN AMERICAN
CITIZENS THAT WAY AND TREATING THEM THAT WAY, AND DO YOU KNOW
WHAT, IF YOU WANT TO TRY THEM, PHOENIX POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU
ALL KEEP BRINGING UP THEY ARE CRIMINALS. WHY DON’T YOU GUYS CHARGE THEM? IF THEY’RE SUCH CRIMINALS. IT’S NOT IN THE POLICE REPORT. HOW ABOUT THE OFFICER WHO LEFT
OUT, OH, I HELPED HIM SPREAD HIS LEGS. HE DID A LEG SWEEP. THAT IS INEXCUSABLE. POLICE YOUR OWN. THANK YOU FOR SACRIFICING YOUR
LIVES, BUT STOP KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE. OKAY? WE’RE ASKING YOU TO POLICE YOUR
OWN. SO DO YOU KNOW WHAT, COUNCILMAN
DICICCIO, IT’S EASY FOR YOU AND ALL OF YOU TO ATTACK COUNCILMAN
GARCIA, BUT THANK YOU FOR STANDING UP BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT
A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD. MAYOR, YOU NEED TO DO THIS. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE
BUT UNDERSTAND YOU’RE NOT POLICING YOUR OWN. THIS IS LIKE THE TEAMSTERS IN
THE 1970s WITH JIMMY HOFFA. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ENFORCERS
OF THE LAW. YOU ARE NOT JUDGE, JURY AND
EXECUTIONER. THANK YOU.>>MY NAME IS ARFIE SALFA, A
USMC VETERAN. I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, FIRST OF
ALL, I DON’T SEE COLOR WHEN I SEE PEOPLE. I LOOK AT EVERYONE AS A CREATION
OF GOD AND I SEE EVERYONE HAS HAVING THE IMAGE OF GOD IN THEM. SO WHEN I SEE WHAT THE POLICE
OFFICERS GOING OUT TO PROTECT US — THE FIRST THING I THINK OF
IS THIS BILL THAT’S BEFORE US AND THEM NEEDING TO REPLENISH
NON-LETHAL. I THINK OF MY DAD SAYING COMMON
SENSE ISN’T VERY COMMON. THEY SAY, WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN
IF WE DON’T REPLENISH IT? WHAT DO WE USE IF WE DON’T HAVE
THE NONLETHAL? WELL, WE USE BATONS AND WE USE
LETHAL. SO I GUESS IF WE DON’T HAVE THE
NONLETHAL, LET’S USE COMMON SENSE, WHAT’S LEFT? HMM. HMM. SO I KIND OF WANT THEM TO HAVE
THE NONLETHAL STUFF AVAILABLE SO THAT MORE PEOPLE, BOTH POLICE
OFFICERS AND CITIZENS, MAKE IT HOME ALIVE. THAT’S THE WHOLE REASON FOR
NON-LETHAL. I’M JUST KIND — THIS KIND OF
THING, LET’S KIND OF GIVE THEM SOME COMMON SENSE, PEOPLE. THINK ABOUT THE WHOLE REASON FOR
HAVING THE NONLETHAL. LET’S PUT THE WHOLE VIDEO OF ALL
THE THINGS THAT’S GOING ON IN OUR CULTURE RIGHT NOW BEHIND
THIS AND GO, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO PREPARE OUR COPS AND HAVE
THIS NONLETHAL TOOL IN THEIR BELT FOR? SO THAT CITIZENS GO HOME ALIVE,
SO THAT THEY DON’T GO HOME IN CASKETS WHEN THERE’S OTHER
OPTIONS AVAILABLE. AND THAT MEANS IF THEY NEED TO
GET MORE TRAINING, WELL, GET THEM THE TOOLS AND GET THEM THE
TRAINING. DON’T SAY I’M NOT GOING TO GET
THEM — GIVE THEM THE AMMUNITION OR NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM THE
NONLETHAL STUFF. THEY NEED THAT. THEY’RE OUT THERE PROTECTING US. THEY’RE THE FIRST RESPONDERS. LIKE THEY SAID, WHEN THERE’S A
MAN COMING DOWN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SOUTH PHOENIX OR
NORTH PHOENIX OR WHEREVER, YOU’RE GOING TO BE CALLING THE
POLICE. HEY, THERE’S SOMEBODY COMING
DOWN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A GUN. HELP ME. AND SO LET’S GIVE THEM THE TOOLS
TO PROTECT US. AND IT DOESN’T MATTER —
>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU.>>– WHAT COLOR THEY ARE. WE ALL WANT TO GO HOME ALIVE.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU
FOR YOUR TESTIMONY.>>WE ALL WANT TO BE PROTECTED.>>Mayor Gallego: ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GARCIA.>>Councilman Garcia: NO.>>Clerk: GUARDADO.>>Councilwoman Guardado: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: I
WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN MY VOTE. I WILL BE VOTING YES. IT’S BECAUSE IT’S REPLENISHING
NONLETHAL AMMO AND I THINK IT’S A TOOL WE NEED TO USE FIRST
BEFORE USING LETHAL WEAPONS. SO I’LL BE SUPPORTING THIS. ALSO I WANT TO THANK YOU, MAYOR. I HEARD SOME COMMENTS OUT THERE,
BUT I KNOW AS THE CHAIR OF PUBLIC SAFETY YOU ASKED ME TO
BLOCK OFF MY SUMMER SO THAT WE CAN MEET AND FIGURE THIS
SITUATION OUT. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME
MEETINGS SET UP WITH INDIVIDUALS FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM OUR
POLICE FORCE, TO COMMUNITY LEADERS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU’RE NOT JUST SITTING HERE NOT DOING
SOMETHING. I MEAN, EVERY DAY THERE’S SOME
MEETING GOING ON REGARDING THE ISSUE THAT YOU ALL ARE
DISCUSSING. BUT WE AS A CITY OF PHOENIX ARE
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING OUR COMMUNITIES TOGETHER. AND I SAY COMMUNITY, IT IS THE
RESIDENTS, THE POLICE AND ALL OF OUR STAFF IN THE CITY OF
PHOENIX, HOW WE CAN LIVE AND MAKE THIS ONE OF THE BEST-RAN
CITIES IN THE COUNTRY, AND I BELIEVE THAT — WE TALK ABOUT
SELF-POLICING, BUT I ALSO THINK WE AS RESIDENTS, AS A FATHER OF
SIX CHILDREN, WE NEED TO SELF-POLICE OUR OWN SELVES, TOO. OUR NEIGHBORS, WE KNOW THOSE
INDIVIDUALS UP TO BAD THINGS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE NEED TO BE A EARTH PA OF
THE SOLUTION, TOO, AND BE PART OF THOSE COMMUNITY BLOCK WATCH
AND NEIGHBORHOOD PATROLS AND EVEN THE HARD STUFF IS TRYING TO
HELP OUR OWN FAMILY MEMBERS WHEN THEY’RE IN HARD TIMES ALSO WITH
COUNSELING AND ALL THAT. SO I THINK THERE’S A — THERE’S
A FAIR SHARE OF SELF-POLICING ALL AROUND THAT WE NEED TO DO
AND IT’S HARD. IT’S HARD. AND WE TALK ABOUT POLICE
OFFICERS. WE TALKED ABOUT OURSELVES AS
COMMUNITY MEMBERS. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THAT
COMMON GROUND AND HOW WE CAN BUILD FROM THAT. SO WITH THAT I’M GOING TO BE
VOTING YES, MAYOR.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Councilwoman Williams: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Mayor Gallego: YES. ITEM PASSES 8-1. THANK YOU TO COUNCILMAN
NOWAKOWSKI. I KNOW THAT ALL OF THE ELECTED
OFFICIALS HERE ARE WORKING VERY HARD ON PUBLIC SAFETY. IT’S THE ISSUE WE SPEND THE MOST
TIME ON AND WE’LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON TO BUILD A SAFER CITY. NEXT WE TURN TO ITEM 81.>>Councilman Waring: MOVE TO
APPROVE ITEM 81.>>Councilwoman Williams:
SECOND.>>Mayor Gallego: VICE MAYOR
MADE A MOTION. COUNCILWOMAN WILLIAMS SECONDED
IT. WOULD THE CLERK PLEASE READ THE
TITLE. [READING OF TITLE]
>>Mayor Gallego: NICE WORK. WE HAVE EIGHT CARDS MARKED IN
FAVOR AND FOUR CARDS WISHING TO SPEAK. IF COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE OKAY
WE’LL START WITH THE CARDS. LEONARD CLARK FOLLOWED BY NORI
[INDISCERNIBLE]>>THANK YOU. MY NAME IS LEONARD CLARK, BORN
RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY OF PHOENIX. THANK YOU TO ALL THE VETERANS
OUT THERE AND ALL THOSE WHO MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO SPEAK
BECAUSE FREEDOM ISN’T FREE. BUT THAT BEING SAID, I’M A
STRONG SUPPORT OF YOU HAVING THIS EXPLORATORY TYPE OF
EXPERIMENT ON E SCOOTERS SINCE WE HAVE CHEVRON EXECUTIVES WHO
HANG OUT AT THE CORPORATION COMMISSION TRYING TO LIMIT OTHER
ELECTRICAL COMPANIES FROM SETTING UP CHARGING STATIONS SO
WE CAN HAVE MORE ELECTRIC CARS SO OUR CIVILIZATION WON’T END IN
12 YEARS. BUT, GEE, AT LEAST WE’LL HAVE
ELECTRIC SCOOTERS UNTIL THE CHEVRON EXECUTIVES COME DOWN TO
THE CITY OF PHOENIX, BUT I KNOW YOU, YOU WILL NOT CAVE. THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO
INFLUENCE YOU. SO, YES, I’M WITH ELECTRIC
SCOOTERS. THEY MAKE A ELECTRIC OF A LOT
LESS CARBON FOOTPRINT THAN CARS, AND IF YOU THINK THAT — WELL,
MR. CLARK, BIKES, THEY MIGHT BE STOPPING PEOPLE FROM WALKING AND
USING BICYCLES, AND WOULD THAT ACTUALLY STULL CAUSE MORE — HOW
MANY PEOPLE IN THIS HUGE AREA IN THIS HEAT — A LOT OF PEOPLE
AREN’T GOING TO THERMALS BIKES. ELECTRIC SCOOTERS ARE THE WAY TO
GO. WE ARE IN A FIFTH OR SIXTH
WHATEVER EXTINCTION EVENT AND NO ONE SEEMS TO BE PAYING ATTENTION
EXCEPT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AND A FEW OLD HIPPIES LIKE ME. THANK YOU. I’M IN SUPPORT.>>I WANTED TO THANK ALL OF THE
HARD WORK THAT STAFF HAS DONE ON THIS ISSUE AND KEEP IT SHORT AND
SWEET. I’M IN FAVOR FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. DANIEL WELLMORE DO YOU WISH TO
SPEAK? AND WE HAVE MANY EXPERTS,
INCLUDING PEOPLE FROM SCOOTER COMPANIES WHO ARE AVAILABLE FOR
COUNCIL QUESTIONS IF COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ANY. COUNCILWOMAN PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Williams: I
MADE — CAN I MAKE THE MOTION –>>SORRY YOU HAVE THE FRONT ALL
ROPED OFF.>>Mayor Gallego: ARE YOU
DANIEL.>>I’M DANIEL LEMONE.>>Mayor Gallego: YOU ARE
DANIEL WITH –>>REMONE. I AM IN FAVOR OF THE SCOOTER
PROGRAM HOWEVER AS IT IS ON PAPER I DON’T THINK IT WILL
REALLY SERVE THE CITIZENS OF PHOENIX LIKE IT NEEDS TO SERVE
THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF PHOENIX. I LIVE IN DISTRICT 6 IN THE
ARCADIA AREA AROUND 44th STREET AND OAK. HE WE GET ELECTRIC SCOOTERS IN
THAT AREA BECAUSE THEY DRIFT OVER FROM SCOTTSDALE. PRETTY MUCH SCOTTSDALE ADJACENT
OVER THERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE RELY ON THEM AS
TRANSPORTATION, AND THE GEOFENCING THAT’S PROPOSED TO
LIMIT SCOOTERS TO ONLY A TWO SQUARE — LESS THAN TWO SQUARE
MILE PART OF DOWNTOWN PHOENIX I THINK WILL COMPLETELY MAKE THE
PROGRAM NOT EFFECTIVE, NOT LIKE IT COULD BE. KEEP IN MIND THAT TWO SQUARE
MILES, IT DOESN’T HAVE A GROCERY STORE, IT DOESN’T HAVE A
HOSPITAL. PEOPLE NEED TRANSPORTATION TO GO
PLACES, AND I THINK YOU SHOULD SERIOUSLY RECONSIDER THE
GEOFENCING AND MAKE IT — MAKE IT LIKE IT IS IN SCOTTSDALE,
MAKE IT LIKE IT IS IN TEMPE, MAKE IT LIKE IT IS IN MESA. YOU CAN GET ANYWHERE IN THOSE
THREE CITIES. DON’T HAVE TO DRIVE AND DON’T
HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE BUS. ALSO, I DID ATTEND THE
SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS. I’VE SEEN THE WHOLE PRESENTATION
AS FAR AS LIKE PARKING AND I THINK THE CITY IS LOOKING AT
SPENDING MONEY THAT DOESN’T NEED TO BE SPENT ON THESE SPECIAL
PARKING ZONES. THERE’S ALREADY A PLACE TO PARK
SCOOTERS. IT’S CALLED A BIKE RACK. I RODE HERE — ON A LIME
ELECTRIC SCOOTER. IT’S AT THE BIKE RACK ADJACENT
TO THE CITY COUNCIL BUILDING. TAX DOLLARS DON’T NEED TO BE
SPENT ON SPECIAL PARKING FOR A VEHICLE THAT ALREADY HAS PARKING
AVAILABLE. ANYWAY, THAT’S PRETTY MUCH WHAT
I HAD TO SAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. COUNCILWOMAN PASTOR, DID YOU
COMMENTS?>>Councilwoman Pastor: I JUST
HAD COMMENTS. I JUST WANTED TO THANK CITY
STAFF AND LEADERSHIP AND ALL MY COLLEAGUES IN REVIEWING THE
SCOOTER PILOT PROGRAM. IT’S TAKEN US SEVERAL WEEKS,
MAYBE MONTHS, TO DELIVER THIS PROGRAM AND PUT OUR CITIZENS’
SAFETY FIRST, AND I JUST AM REALLY HAPPEN ATHE WHERE IT
LANDED. I KNOW NOT EVERYBODY IS HAPPY IN
THE SENSE OF THE GEOFENCING, BUT IT IS A PILOT PROGRAM TO SEE
WHAT THE IMPACT IT HAS IN DOWNTOWN AND ALSO DUE TO — WE
HAVE SPECIAL PARKING DUE TO THE FACT OF THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM
OTHER CITIES AND SCOOTERS JUST BEING PARKED ANYWHERE. AND SO WE DID TAKE DEEP
DELIBERATION, AND IT WENT THROUGH TWO COMMITTEES TO LOOK
AT THIS, AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AND
REALLY APPRECIATE THE SCOOTER COMPANIES IN UNDERSTANDING OUR
DUE DILIGENCE. SO THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: COUNCILWOMAN
WILLIAMS.>>Councilwoman Williams: I,
TOO, WANT TO THANK STAFF AND ACTUALLY THE VENDORS. MY CONCERN WAS OVER OUR
LIABILITY, AND YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME, YOU WORKED THROUGH IT,
AND I THINK WE’RE IN A GOOD PLACE TO GO FORWARD TO TEST
THIS. SO I THANK EVERYBODY WHO IS
INVOLVED AND I’M WILLING TO SEE THE PROJECT SOON.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski:
MAYOR, WE LISTENED TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE INDUSTRY. THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECT IS
IN DISTRICT 7 AND 8 AND MOSTLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND WE HAVE
LISTENED TO ALL THE CONCERNS AND I JUST REALLY WANT TO THANK OUR
STAFF FOR BRINGING THOSE CONCERNS TO THE INDUSTRY, MAKING
SURE THAT THOSE QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED, AND ALSO FOR TAKING
OUR STAFF FOR A LITTLE TOUR OF DOWNTOWN ON THE SCOOTERS. I WISH I HAD A VIDEO CAMERA — A
VIDEO ON THAT. IT WAS KIND OF EXCITING TO SEE
THE ONES THAT WERE TRYING FOR THE FIRST TIME TO BE ON A
SCOOTER, BUT I THINK IT’S SOMETHING THAT’S REALLY NEEDED
IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. DOWNTOWN PHOENIX OVER THE LAST
10 YEARS HAS BECOME THE COOL FUNKY PLACE WHERE A LOT OF YOUNG
PEOPLE ARE — YOUNG ADULTS ARE GATHERING, AND I THINK THIS
WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT AS A PILOT PROGRAM WE’LL SEE IF IT’S
SUCCESSFUL OR NOT. HOPEFULLY IT WORKS OUT AND WE
CAN SPREAD IT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY OF PHOENIX.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: I HAD
A QUESTION LAST NIGHT, AND I THINK I ANSWERED THE CORRECTLY
BUT I’M GOING TO VERIFY. A CONSTITUENT HAD STATED TO ME
THAT WHERE THEY LIVE — THE GEOFENCING HAPPEN. I SAID, DO YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU
HAVE THREE CHOICES — TWO CHOICES. THE TWO CHOICES IS WHERE THE
SCOOTERS LAND YOU WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO PICK UP A GR:D BIKE AND
YOU CAN CONTINUE ON WITH THE GR:D BIKE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. OR THIS PERSON HAPPENS TO LIVE
BY LIGHT RAIL, AND I JUST SAID YOU CAN PICK UP THE LIGHT RAIL
AND GO ON TO YOUR HOUSE. AND I’M SURE MANY OF YOU CAN
PROBABLY FIGURE OUT WHAT FORMER CITY EMPLOYEE THAT WAS
QUESTIONING ME AND GRILLING ME THAT NOW WORKS WITH ASU. SO A SHOUT OUT TO RICK NAIMARK. THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS? ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GARCIA.>>Councilman Garcia: YES.>>Clerk: GUARDADO.>>Councilwoman Guardado: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Councilwoman Williams: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Mayor Gallego: YES. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM
89.>>Councilwoman Williams:
SECOND.>>Mayor Gallego: WE HAVE A
MOTION AND A SECOND. LEONARD CLARK. WATER AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN OF
CAVE CREEK.>>APOLOGIZE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I DID NOT KNOW THAT WE WOULD
HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK IMPROMPTU. I NORMALLY WOULD ONLY HAVE FIVE
ITEMS. I PROMISE IN THE FUTURE, UNLESS
I SPEND 500,000 DOLLARS OR A MILLION TO GET ELECTED, WHICH I
DON’T THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU DON’T HAVE TO WORRY. I APPROVE OF THIS DEAL WITH CAVE
CREEK, BUT IT ALSO FURTHER ILLUSTRATES THE SHORTAGES WE’RE
HAVING NOW. WE’RE IN A DESERT, AND WE ARE A
VALLEY CIVILIZATION, AND I LIKE THE FACT THE CITY OF PHOENIX IS
WORKING WITH THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE THAT RUN
THE GOVERNMENT OF CAVE CREEK, THIS AREA. WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO ALL WORK
TOGETHER VERY CLOSELY BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME HUGE CHALLENGES. I FEAR THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING
LULLED INTO COMPLACENCY BECAUSE WE HAD A GOOD RAINY SEASON, A
WET SEASON HERE, LAST YEAR, SO THANK YOU FOR — I HOPE YOU WILL
APPROVE THIS AND WE HAVE TO ALL START LEARNING HOW TO CONSERVE
WATER BETTER LIKE CITY OF TUCSON. WE CAN UP TUCSON ON THIS. THEY HAVE QUITE AN EXTENSIVE
WATER, RAINWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM. WHY CAN’T WE DO IT? THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. ROLL CALL.>>Clerk: DICICCIO.>>Councilman DiCiccio: YES.>>Clerk: GARCIA.>>Councilman Garcia: YES.>>Clerk: GUARDADO.>>Councilwoman Guardado: YES.>>Clerk: NOWAKOWSKI.>>Councilman Nowakowski: YES.>>Clerk: PASTOR.>>Councilwoman Pastor: YES.>>Clerk: STARK.>>Councilwoman Stark: YES.>>Clerk: WILLIAMS.>>Councilwoman Williams: YES.>>Clerk: WARING.>>Councilman Waring: YES.>>Clerk: GALLEGO.>>Mayor Gallego: YES. ITEM PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THAT CONCLUDES THE AJEB DIED
BUSINESS OF THIS MEETING. WE NOW MOVE TO CITIZEN COMMENT. APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR ANY
MISPRONUNCIATIONS OF CITIZEN NAMES. R.E. GOULIAN, FOLLOWED BY NOEL
ROSEN. NOEL WILL BE FOLLOWED BY KATHRYN
KOBAN. AS A REMINDER, IN CITIZEN
COMMENT WE CANNOT DONATE TIME BUT YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES
TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. WE ASK EVERYONE TO LISTEN
RESPECTFULLY AND NOT USE FOUL LANGUAGE.>>MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE
CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS NOEL ROSEN. I CAME ALL THE WAY HERE FROM
WICKENBURG. I REPRESENT RALLY FOR LAW
ENFORCEMENT. WE’RE HERE TO SUPPORT OUR
POLICE. I THINK IT’S TERRIBLE JUST WHAT
JUST HAPPENED WHEN THEY TOOK AN ISSUE THAT — REGARDING
PURCHASING AND TURNED IT INTO AN ANTIPOLICE CRITICISM OF THE
POLICE. WHICH HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. AND I WANT TO SAY TO ALL THE
MEMBERS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT ARE IN THIS ROOM, I SUPPORT YOU. YOU CANNOT BASE EVERYTHING ON A
PORTION OF VIDEO THAT WAS PUT OUT THERE ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO
ATTACK OUR POLICE. THAT’S WHAT IT WAS. IT WAS POLITICALLY MOTIVATED. I’M GOING TO SAY, COUNCILMAN
DICICCIO K YOU AND I HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH. I’VE BEEN WHERE YOU’RE AT. I’VE SEEN WHERE THEY’VE CALLED
ANYBODY THAT SUPPORTS POLICE FASCISTS. I’VE HEARD RACIST. I’VE HEARD BOOT LICKER. I’VE HEARD GESTAPO. I’VE HEARD ALL OF THIS STUFF. BUT OUR COPS RISK THEIR LIVES
EVERY DAY. I DON’T BELIEVE THAT A
CRIMINAL — TWO CRIMINALS TAKING THEIR KIDS ON A CRIME SPREE
SHOULD BE REWARDED WITH $10 MILLION. THAT’S RIDICULOUS. BECAUSE PHOENIX POLICE DID
RELEASE THAT VIDEO AND IT CLEARLY SHOWS THE TWO
INDIVIDUALS STEALING FROM THAT STORE. AND THEY HAD THEIR CHILDREN WITH
THEM. NOW, LET’S GET TO THE HEART OF
THE ISSUE, THE FACTS. THE FATHER OF THESE CHILDREN IS
ALREADY FACING CHARGES IN TEMPE FOR ASSAULTING TWO POLICE
OFFICERS. OKAY? THAT’S A FACT. YOU HAD HIS FIANCEE, THE MOTHER
OF THOSE CHILDREN, SHE HAD WARRANTS OUT FOR HER ARREST,
THREE MISDEMEANOR WARRANTS. AND I THINK IT’S RIDICULOUS THAT
THE OTHER SIDE IS TRYING TO MAKE THE CLAIM THAT IT’S OKAY TO
STEAL IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE I’VE HEARD THAT. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO STOP
ATTACKING OUR COPS. WE NEED TO BACK THEM. AND WE NEED TO THANK THEM FOR
THE JOB THEY DO, BECAUSE IT’S A HARD JOB. AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT HAPPENED LAST WEEK AT THE
LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING, MAYOR GALLEGO, YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED
OF YOURSELF FOR NOT CLEARING THE ROOM. YOU SHOULD HAVE CLEARED THE ROOM
OF THOSE AGITATORS BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT THEY WERE DOING. THEY WERE HERE TO PARADE BEFORE
THE CAMERAS. YOU SHOULD HAVE CLEARED THE
ROOM. YOU SHOULD HAVE THE GUTS TO BACK
OUR OFFICERS. OUR OFFICERS RIGHT NOW ARE BEING
THROWN UNDER THE BUS. THIS IS POLITICALLY MOTIVATED. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, IT’S
HAPPENING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. JUST TO KIND OF ADD TO THIS,
WE’VE ALREADY HAD FIVE POLICE OFFICERS KILLED IN THE LINE OF
DUTY IN THE LAST WEEK. DON’T SIDE WITH THE AGITATORS
AND THE CRIMINALS, OKAY? BECAUSE I’M SEEING WHAT’S
HAPPENING. I’M SEEING WHAT’S HAPPENING IN
THE MEDIA WHERE THE COPS ARE BEING ATTACKED. THIS IS A WAR ON POLICE AND WE
NEED TO BACK OUR POLICE OFFICERS. THOSE OFFICERS IN THE CASE THAT
HAPPENED HERE IN PHOENIX, THEY DID THEIR JOBS. OKAY? I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT
THEY DID. AND I GOT TO TELL YOU, WHEN IT
STARTED OUT, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE COPS USING FOUL
LANGUAGE. WELL, LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING,
IF FOUL LANGUAGE WAS A CRIME, WE’D ALL BE IN JAIL. SOME OF US DOING DOUBLE TIME,
SOME DOING TRIPLE SENTENCES –>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU
FOR YOUR TESTIMONY.>>BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE
NEED TO BACK OUR COPS, AND I BACK OUR PHOENIX — PHOENIX PD,
TO ALL THE OFFICERS IN THIS ROOM, TO YOU WILL A THE OFFICERS
THAT CAN HEAR ME, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE JOB YOU DO. IT MATTERS.>>Mayor Gallego: KATHRYN WILL
BE FOLLOWED BY HEIDI GARRETT, WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY MARK
RODRIGUEZ. IS HEIDI HERE? IS MARK RODRIGUEZ HERE?>>HEIDI IS HERE.>>Mayor Gallego: HEIDI IS
HERE. ALL RIGHT.>>HI, MY NAME IS HEIDI GARRETT
AND I AM A WIFE, A MOM TO SEVEN BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN AND WE ATTEND
THE AAPOLOGIA CHURCH. I AM HERE TO SPEAK FOR THOSE
THAT CANNOT SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. I WILL NOT TELL YOU ABOUT THE
INHERENT DIGNITY OR WORTH OF EVERY BEING OR THAT YOU HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY BEFORE GOD TO DEFEND THE DEFENSELESS BECAUSE
THESE THINGS YOU ALREADY KNOW. YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR
WHAT YOU KNOW AN DO NOT ACT UPON. TODAY I WANT TO CHALLENGE YOU TO
THINK THROUGH WHAT LEGALIZED MURDER THAT UNWANTED POTENTIALLY
SUFFERING OR BURDENSOME TINY HUMANS ACTUALLY MEANS. SOMETHING I DIDN’T TELL YOU IS
THAT — I AM THE MOTHER OF SEVEN BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN. I DIDN’T GIVE BIRTH TO ALL THOSE
CHILDREN. TWO OF MY CHILDREN WERE ADOPTED
FROM THE FOSTER CARE SYSTEM AND THE OTHER WE’RE ACTUALLY
CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF ADOPTING AND RESCUING FROM A
LIFE OF EXTREME SUFFERING AND NEGLECT IN ANOTHER COUNTRY. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD
HAVE TO SAY TO MY BABIES WHEN THEY ASK ME WHY, MAMA, DO PEOPLE
THINK IT’S OKAY TO KILL BABIES THAT THEY DON’T WANT? WHY, MAMA DO YOU THINK IT’S OKAY
OR WHY DO PEOPLE THINK IT’S OKAY TO KILL BABIES? BECAUSE THEIR LIVES MIGHT BE
HARD. BECAUSE YOU, SEE, MY THREE
BABIES, THEY WERE UNWANTED, AND THEIR LIVES HAS BEEN FULL OF
SUFFERING, MORE THAN MOST OF YOU COULD PROBABLY IMAGINE. PEOPLE CLAIM IT’S A RIGHT TO
KILL THE TINIEST OF OUR KIND SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY AREN’T
WANTED OR THEY MIGHT SUFFER OR MAYBE IT WOULD BE HARD FOR THEIR
MOTHERS OR MAYBE EVEN SOMETHING UNSPEAKABLY EVIL HAPPENS TO
THEIR MOM THAT MADE THEM COME INTO THE EXISTENCE THAT THEY
HAVE. BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT
YOU’RE SAYING TO CHILDREN LIKE MINE WHEN YOU SAY THAT UNWANTED
SUFFERING CHILDREN MIGHT BE A BURDEN TO THEIR MOTHERS SHOULD
BE MURDERED? BECAUSE I DO. THOSE ARE MY CHILDREN. I HAVE AN IDEA. MAYBE WE SHOULD ASSEMBLE A TEAM
OF PEOPLE TO KNOCK DOOR TO DOOR AND ASK QUESTIONS, ARE YOU
WANTED, ARE YOU SUFFERING,, OR MIGHT YOU SUFFER, AND ARE YOU A
BURDEN TO ANYONE? IF THOSE CITIZENS ANSWER YES, WE
CAN JUST END THEIR SUFFERING RIGHT THERE. AND IF THAT SOUNDS INSANE,
THAT’S BECAUSE IT IS. IT IS INSANE TO SAY THAT YOU
HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE AWAY SOMEONE’S LIFE SIMPLY BECAUSE
YOU DON’T WANT TO BE UPON RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR LIFE. AND IT IS INSANE TO SAY YOU HAVE
THE RIGHT TO TAKE AWAY SOMEONE’S LIFE BECAUSE THEIR LIFE MAY BE
FULL OF SUFFERING. SUFFERING IS WHAT MAKES LIFE
BEAUTIFUL. WITHOUT SUFFERING WE HAVE NO
COMPASSION, NO SACRIFICE, NOTHING TO OVERCOME, AND WITHOUT
SUFFERING, LIFE MEANS NOTHING. IF THE METHOD OF RIDDING THE
WORLD OF SUFFERING IS TO KILL THE PEOPLE WHO MAY POTENTIALLY
SUFFER, WE HAVE NO PEOPLE LEFT. BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU TODAY
ABOUT MY GOD. MY GOD IS A GOD WHO IS WILLING
TO SUFFER AND BE MURDERED FOR HIS CHILDREN. THAT’S WHAT TRUE LOVE LOOKS
LIKE. MY GOD WAS WILLING TO PUT
HIMSELF THROUGH TORTURE AND DEATH BECAUSE HE LOVED HIS
CHILDREN AND HE DIDN’T DO ANYTHING TO DESERVE THE WRONGS
DONE TO HIM. WHEN YOU WILLING TO JUSTIFY
MURDER SIMPLY BECAUSE SOMEONE WASN’T WANTED MIGHT SUFFER, BE A
BURDEN OR IT MIGHT BE TRAUMATIC FOR THEIR MOTHERS WHAT YOU’RE
SAYING IS MURDER IS OKAY BECAUSE I WANT TO DO IT. YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT IS A
LIFE IN THE PIT OF HELL. PLEASE USE YOUR GOD GIVEN
AUTHORITY IN THE CITY TO BE A VOICE FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT SPEAK
FOR THEMSELVES. PLEASE DEFEND THE DEFENSELESS
AND BE A VOICE FOR THE PREBORN.>>Mayor Gallego: IS MARK
RODRIGUEZ STILL HERE? PAUL YODER? PAUL WILL BE FOLLOWED BY JOHN
HARRINGTON.>>GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. I WANT TO SALUTE THE MEMBERS OF
THE POLICE FORCE FOR DOING A WONDERFUL JOB FOR US. AND ALSO THE COUNCIL FOR DOING A
GOOD JOB. I’M A RESIDENT OF DISTRICT 5,
AND TODAY I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU MY DISAPPOINTMENT AND THE
DISAPPOINTMENT OF SO MANY OF MY FRIENDS AT THE LACK OF
LEADERSHIP OF OUR NEW MAYOR WHEN SHE PRESIDED OVER A RIDICULOUS
CIRCUS IN THIS ROOM LAST WEEK IN WHICH SHE TOLERATED LANGUAGE SHE
WOULD NEVER HAVE CONDONED FROM PRO POLICE SPEAKERS. I WAS IMMEDIATELY REMINDED — I
WAS IMMEDIATELY REMINDED OF AN INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED SEVERAL
YEARS AGO IN CAMBRIDGE, MASSACHUSETTS INVOLVING THE
POLICE WHERE A NATIONAL LEADER PROCLAIMED THAT THE POLICE ACTED
STUPIDLY RIGHT OFF THE BAT ONLY TO FIND OUT AFTER ALL THE FACTS
WERE IN HOW RIDICULOUS THAT STATEMENT WAS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO URGE ALL OF
THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ESPECIALLY THE MAYOR TO REMEMBER
THAT THE HALLMARK OF GOOD LEADERSHIP IS TO REMAIN
IMPARTIAL AND TO WAIT UNTIL FACTS ARE IN BEFORE YOU
PRONOUNCE JUDGMENTS. THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: JOHN
HARRINGTON FOLLOWED BY NEIL WESTBROOKS.>>HI, I’M HERE TODAY TO THANK
THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR THE OVER 300 CALLS WE GET TO OUR BUILDING
EVERY YEAR. WE HAVE OVER 300 SERVICE CALLS
FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AT A BUILDING RUN BY THE PHOENIX
HOUSING DEPARTMENT. I’M NOT SURE HOW SECURE THAT IS,
BUT I’M ALSO HERE BECAUSE I AM BEING BULLIED AND INTIMIDATED BY
THE CITY OF PHOENIX HOUSING DEPARTMENT, STARTING WITH THE
LADY, DEBBIE SEBASTIAN, ANGIE HODGSON, RONNIE GETMAN AND CINDY
LOTLER. ALL I’VE ASKED FROM AUGUST OF
2017, WHEN I WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE RESIDENT
COUNCIL OF PINE TOWER, 156 MEMBER COUNCIL, FROM DAY ONE
I’VE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT GOING BY THE
MOU, WHICH IS THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, WHICH I SIGNED IN
AUGUST OF 2017 AS PRESIDENT, I’M CURRENTLY THE LAST ELECTED VICE
PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL. I’M BEING BULLIED AND
INTIMIDATED INTO BEING EVICTED. SO FAR THEY HAVE SENT ME THREE
EVICTION NOTICES TO BE VACATED, AND THEY KNOW FULL WELL IT TAKES
A HEARING BEFORE A JUDGE THROUGH HUD TO BE EVICTED. BUT THEY’VE BEEN EVICTING PEOPLE
FOR YEARS WITHOUT THAT DUE PROCESS. THEY’VE TRIED TO DO IT TO ME,
AND I WENT TO HUD, AND THE LAST BIT OF ADVICE I GOT FROM THE
SUPERVISOR AT THE FIELD OF HUD IS IGNORE THEM, WHICH I HAVE
BEEN DOING, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN GIVEN A MOVE OUT DATE OF MAY
12th. I DID NOT LEAVE. I HAVE BEEN GIVEN A MOVE-OUT
DATE OF JUNE 10th. THAT WAS MY FIVE-DAY NOTICE. I DID NOT LEAVE. MY NEXT EVICTION DATE IS JUNE
28th, AND I WILL NOT BE LEAVING, BECAUSE I’M WAITING TO
DO IT BY MOU RULES. I CAN ONLY BE EVICTED BY HUD
THROUGH THE COURT. THE HOUSING DEPARTMENT TRIES TO
USE INTIMIDATION. I’VE GOT LETTERS HERE THAT THEY
SEND ME WHERE THEY TELL YOU YOU MUST BE OUT ON THIS DATE, THIS
IS YOUR FINAL NOTICE. WELL, I’M 70 YEARS OLD. I MOVED INTO THAT BUILDING WHEN
I WAS 67 THREE YEARS AGO WITH THE INTENTION OF HAVING A HOME,
OF HAVING A RESIDENCE. I DID NOT REALIZE WHEN I FILLED
OUT PAPERWORK AND SIGNED A LEASE I WAS BEING INSTITUTIONALIZED BY
THE CITY, BECAUSE YOUR LIMITS — YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS ARE LIMITED. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT I CANNOT
USE CERTAIN FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION THINGS THERE. I WAS TOLD BY DEBBIE THAT THE
BALCONY THAT I HAVE OFF MY APARTMENT IS NOT MINE, FUNNY,
I’M PAYING RENT, BUT THEN DEBBIE IS ALSO THE PERSON THAT SAID,
JOHN, YOU DON’T PAY RENT, HUD DOES. I’M SORRY, DO DO PAY SOME OF THE
RENT. YES, I AM IN HOUSING. I THINK IT WAS PRETTY RUDE TO BE
TOLD I DON’T PAY RENT, HUD PAYS YOUR RENT. SHE’S ALSO DENIED ME — ALLOWED
ME TO DECORATE MY BALCONY. SHE COMES TO ME WITH PROBLEMS
SHE SAYS I’M HAVING WHEN THERE IS 47 OTHER BALCONIES THAT ARE
INFRACTIONS SHE WON’T ADDRESS. SHE’S TOLD ME THAT THE
BALCONY — I THINK I SAID THAT.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. WE WILL ASK THAT A STAFF MEMBER
FOLLOW UP WITH YOU.>>I WOULD. I WOULD LOVE TO TALK TO SOMEONE. BECAUSE I HAVE TALKED WITH THE
CITY MAYOR’S OFFICE, ALEXA WAS SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING,
NOTHING. MOST RECENTLY THE CITY MANAGER’S
OFFICE, MISS DICKERSON, WAS SUPPOSED TO DO SOME FOLLOW-UP. NOTHING. I’M IN DISTRICT 8, AND YOUR
PREDECESSOR REFUSED TO HELP ME TWICE. YOU KNOW, I’VE GONE EVERYWHERE I
CAN THINK OF TO GET HELP. I’VE GOT A LIST HERE OF OVER 48
ORGANIZATIONS, AGENCIES AND SO ON THAT I HAVE CALLED. NO HELP. THIS IS MY LAST AND FINAL CHANCE
BEFORE I’M THROWN OUT INTO THE STREETS BY MACHINATIONS BY AN
ORGANIZATION THAT SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED. THEY’VE LIED TO ME NUMEROUS
TIMES. RONNIE GETMAN LAST TIME WHEN SHE
TOLD ME –>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU
FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. WE WILL TRY TO FOLLOW UP. I.>>I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A
FOLLOW-UP.>>Mayor Gallego: NEIL
WESTBROOKS FOLLOWED BY JEAN BREECE. IS NEIL STILL HERE? JEAN? IS JEAN BREEWE? DORRIE LEVY.>>THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY
COUNCIL. COUNCILMAN DICICCIO, I WANT TO
THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING OUR POLICE OFFICERS. I’M A 911 OPERATOR AND
DISPATCHER FOR THE PHOENIX POLICE DEPARTMENT. I’VE BEEN WITH THE DEPARTMENT 18
YEARS. AND IT WAS OVERWHELMING TO ME
THREE YEARS AGO WHEN I TOOK MY SON TO THE PHOENIX POLICE MUSEUM
WHEN I WAS ON VACATION AND WALKED INTO THE MEMORIAL ROOM
FOR THE OFFICERS. THERE’S ONE WHOLE WALL OF POLICE
OFFICERS THAT LOST THEIR LIVES JUST SINCE I STARTED EMPLOYMENT
18 YEARS AGO. EACH AND EVERY SITUATION THERE’S
BEEN TACTICAL PLANS LEARNED AND WAYS TO PREVENT OFFICERS FROM
BEING KILLED IN THE FUTURE. THERE’S ALSO AN EXAMPLE OF WHEN
THE CRIMINALS OUTARMED THE POLICE OFFICERS BACK IN FEBRUARY
28th, 1997 IN HOLLYWOOD, CALIFORNIA. 12 POLICE OFFICERS AND EIGHT
CITIZENS WERE SHOT THAT DAY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THE
POLICE OFFICERS DID NOT HAVE THE AMMUNITION AND WEAPONS TO FIGHT
BACK AGAINST TWO BANK ROBBERS THAT HAD BETTER WEAPONS. AND I JUST FEEL THAT EVERYBODY
NEEDS TO SUPPORT THE OFFICERS IN THE INVESTIGATION, LET
EVERYTHING PLAY OUT, THE WHOLE STORY HAS NOT COME FORWARD DUE
TO THE CONFIDENTIALITY OF ANY INVESTIGATION WITHIN THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT. AS FAR AS A CITIZEN DISCIPLINARY
PANEL, WELL, OUR DISCIPLINARY REVIEW BOARD WITH THE PHOENIX
POLICE DEPARTMENT ALREADY HAS CITIZENS IN PLACE ON THE BOARD. THEY DO HAVE A SAY, AND IF THOSE
CITIZENS WANT TO BE ON THE BOARD, THEN THEY SHOULD MOVE
FORWARD TO BE ABLE TO REQUEST BEING ON OUR DISCIPLINARY REVIEW
BOARD THAT ALREADY IS BALANCED WITH ALL THE OFFICIALS ON THE
BOARD AND PEER EMPLOYEES THAT SUPPORT OR LISTEN TO EACH AND
EVERY DISCIPLINARY CASE. IT’S — WE JUST REALLY NEED TO
SUPPORT OUR POLICE OFFICERS. THE LACK OF RESPECT THE PUBLIC
HAS FOR THE OFFICERS HAS RESULTED IN A LOT OF OUR 911
OPERATORS NOT STAYING WITH THE DEPARTMENT. WE’RE WAY UNDERSTAFFED. AND THEN WITH DISPATCHERS BEING
THREATENED, THERE’S A LOT MORE DISPATCHERS AND 911 OPERATORS
THAT WERE READY TO THROW IN THE TOWEL LAST WEEK, BUT WE NEED TO
STICK TOGETHER. WE NEED TO STAY STRONG AND DO
EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SERVE THE PUBLIC THAT WE’RE HERE TO
PROTECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>Councilman DiCiccio: MAYOR,
A QUESTION OF STAFF ON THAT AS A FOLLOW-UP. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THEIR
UNION LEADER FRANK PICCIOLI — I SHOULD KNOW IT, I KNOW HIM
PRETTY WELL — HE SAID THERE WERE ABOUT 15 TO 20 INDIVIDUALS
SHORT IN DISPATCH IN 911. I TOLD HIM THAT I’D BE
SUPPORTIVE OF ADDING MORE IF HE COULD BRING THAT PROPOSAL
FORWARD. CAN WE FIND OUT WHERE WE ARE
WITH THAT, WITH THE PROPOSAL THEY HAVE PUT FORWARD ON THAT,
AND I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF ADDING MORE THERE.>>City Mgr. Zuercher: YES, WE
CAN GET YOU A REPORT ON THE STAFFING OF 911 AND DISPATCH,
YES.>>Mayor Gallego: ISRAEL WILL
BE FOLLOWED BY [INDISCERNIBLE] IS ISRAEL HERE? OKAY.>>HELLO, CITY COUNCILMEMBERS. MY NAME IS ISRAEL AND I’M 10
YEARS OLD AND A CHRISTIAN. I’M HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO HELP
YOU REALIZE ABORTION IS MURDER AND AGAINST THE LAW AND GOD’S
LAW. JOHN 3:11-12 SAYS THIS IS THE
MESSAGE YOU HEARD FROM THE BEGINNING. WE SHOULD LOVE ONE ANOTHER. DO NOT BE LIKE CAIN WHO BELONGED
TO THE EVIL ONE AND MURDERED HIS BROTHER. WHY DID HE MURDER HIM? BECAUSE HIS OWN ACTS WERE EVIL
AND HIS BROTHER’S WAS RIGHTEOUS. THE FIRST TIME I HEARD ABOUT
ABORTION WAS WHEN MY MOM WAS READING THE BIBLE TO MY OLDER
SIBLINGS. THEY ARE ALSO SPEAKING TODAY. I WAS IN A DIFFERENT AND WHEN MY
MOM EXPLAINED WHAT ABORTION WAS I RAN OUT OF THE ROOM AND YET
“WHAT”? MY BLOOD WAS BOILING. I CANNOT BELIEVE PEOPLE HIRE
THESE ASSASSINS TO MURDER THEIR CHILDREN. TO THEM I WOULD SAY YOU WILL BE
BABY’S GRAVE, YOU MURDERERS. BABIES ARE NOT A BURDEN, A
BLESSING. YOU ARE DISOBEYING THE ASHES
STATUTE 13-3603 BY CONTINUING TO ALLOW ABORTIONS TO HAPPEN IN
PHOENIX. I HAVE BEEN WANTING TO BECOME A
DOCTOR FOR A WHILE. BUT ABORTION DOCTORS ARE A BAD
REPRESENTATION OF A DOCTOR. DOCTORS ARE SUPPOSED TO HEAL AND
HELP, NOT KILL AND DESTROY. IF YOU ARE A LADY, WOULD YOU
THINK ABORTION IS MURDER? TRYING TO REMEMBER YOU APART BY
HIM BY LIMB. IF YOU SAY NO, YOU WOULD BE
LYING, AND LYING IS A SIN. ABORTION IS MURDER. MURDER IS A SIN. AND THE BIBLE — AND THE WAGES
OF SIN IS DEATH. GOD WILL POUR OUT HIS WRATH ON
YOU FOR ALL ETERNITY. BUT THERE IS HOPE FOR YOU. YOU CAN HAVE YOUR SINS FORGIVEN. JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS THAT OUR
SINS CAN BE FORGIVEN. YOU CAN NO LONGER BE AN ENEMY OF
GOD. ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS PUT YOUR
FAITH IN JESUS. JEEZ WILL CLOTHE I DON’T HIS —
COVER YOU IN HIS BLOOD.>>MY NAME IS ELLIE AND I HAVE
ONE OLDER BROTHER, TWO YOUNGER BROTHERS AND THREE YOUNGER
SISTERS. MY MOM JENNIFER WHO SPOKE TO YOU
IN APRIL AND TWO OF MY BROTHERS ARE SPEAKING HERE TODAY. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. IF YOU WERE AN UNBORN BABY
CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD FLOATING IN YOUR MOTHER’S WOMB
AND YOUR MOTHER PAID A DOCTOR TO RIP YOU APART LIMB BY LIMB
BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T LOVE YOU ENOUGH TO KEEP YOU, HOW WOULD
YOU FEEL? WOULD YOU FEEL UNLOVED AND
UNWANTED AS YOU — IN A METAL TRASH CAN. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE SAID TO YOUR
MOTHER IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO HER? MOMMY, SAVE ME? MOMMY, DON’T MURDER ME? DON’T MAKE THIS OFFICE MY GRAVE. MOMMY. THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE MOTHER? SHE IS STILL A MOTHER AND SHE
STAYS A MOTHER, OF HER DEAD BABY. FOLLOWING THE ABORTION ARE MANY
HEALTH CONCERNS, INCLUDING DEPRESSION, UNLESS SHE IS
HEARTLESS SHE CAN’T HELP BUT FEEL BROKEN AFTER MURDERING A
HUMAN SOUL AND HER OWN FLESH AND BLOOD AT THAT. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BABIES AFTER
BRUTALRY REMOVED FROM THE HOME THEY KNEW. SOME COMPANIES WILL COME AND
PICK UP THE MEDICAL WASTE AND INCINERATE THE DEAD BABIES. IS THIS WHAT OUR WORLD IS
BECOMING? AND YOU AS OUR APPOINTED
MAGISTRATES HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE IT. WHEN YOU WERE SWORN INTO OFFICE
YOU PROMISED TO UPHOLD ARIZONA LAW. YOU DON’T ENFORCE AZ 13-3603. WE’RE HERE TO PLEAD WITH YOU TO
MAKE PHOENIX A SANCTUARY CITY FOR OUR UNBORN NEIGHBORS. GOD CALLS US TO LOVE OUR
NEIGHBORS AS WE LOVE OURSELVES. IN ANY OTHER SITUATION ON EARTH
RIPPING A PERSON’S LIMBS OFF AND LITERALLY THROWING THEM AWAY TO
DIE WOULD LAND YOU IN JAIL. ONLY IN THIS ONE INSTANCE, AN
UNWANTED BABY, IS THIS INHUMANE ACT OKAY, OR NORMAL, OR CHOICE
OR ACCEPTABLE EVEN. THESE BABIES YOU MURDER DAILY
ARE INNOCENT. ALTHOUGH THEY INHERENT ORIGINAL
SIN LIKE EVERY OTHER HUMAN BEING ON EARTH, THEY HAVE NO EARTHLY
SIN AGAINST YOU OR THEIR MOTHERS OR ANYONE. THESE BABIES AREN’T CRIMINALS
BUT KILLING ONE COULD MAKE THEIR MOTHERS OR DOCTORS CRIMINALS IF
YOU WOULD ABORTION ILLEGAL. THE MOTHER’S WOMB IS SUPPOSED TO
BE THE SAFEST PLACE ON EARTH, A YOU LOU PROTECTION FOR THE BABY
UNTIL HE OR SHE IS BIG ENOUGH TO SURVIVE ON THEIR OWN. BUT YOU HAVE TURNED THE WOMB
INTO A HOLDING CELL FOR THE BABY. ALL I CAN DO ABOUT THIS HORRIBLE
CRIME IS PLEAD WITH YOU TO MAKE PHOENIX A SANCTUARY CITY. WHAT YOU CAN DO IS REPENT OF
YOUR GRAVE SIN AND ENFORCE AZ 13-3603. GOD CAN CHANGE YOUR HEART FROM
EVIL TO RIGHTEOUSNESS. REPENT AND BELIEVE. THANK YOU.>>DESIREE MAYES.>>HI, SORRY. IT’S BEEN A LONG DAY FOR US. WE HAVE TO WAIT A WHILE TO SPEAK
WITH YOU GUYS. SO, ANYWAYS, MY NAME IS DESIREE. I’VE COME TO SPEAK WITH YOU,
MAYOR GALLEGO, SPECIFICALLY, BUT BEFORE I DO, COUNCILMAN
DICICCIO, YOU SAY YOU’RE PRO-LIFE, AND I SEE YOU COMING
UP HERE BEING VERY OUTSPOKEN AGAINST — LAST WEEK I SAW YOU
STAND UP TO A WHOLE CROWD OF PEOPLE THAT WERE CERTAINLY
UNHAPPY WITH YOU. YOU DIDN’T HOLD BACK. WE NEED YOU TO DO THE SAME
THING. THERE’S KIDS’ LIVE AS STAKE. WE NEED YOU TO BE AS BOLD AS YOU
WERE LAST WEEK AND THIS WEEK FOR THESE CHILDREN WHO ARE DYING. YOU CAN STAND UP TO THESE
PEBBLE. YOU SAID SOMETHING TODAY THAT
IS — YOU KNOW, ONE LIFE OF A POLICEMAN SHOULD NOT COME UP
AGAINST ANY POLITICAL REASONS, NOBODY SHOULD DIE FOR ANY
POLITICAL REASONS. WHAT ABOUT THE LIFE OF ONE
CHILD, ONE CHILD MADE IN THE IMAGE OF GOD IN SO I’M JUST
COMING TODAY TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE BOLD. WE CAN SEE YOU CAN DO IT. WE’LL STAND BEHIND YOU IF YOU
DO. OKAY? MAYOR GALLEGO, I JUST WANTED TO
SPECIFICALLY TALK TO YOU TODAY. I WATCHED YOUR STATE OF THE CITY
ADDRESS LAST WEEK, AND I WAS MOVED BY SO MUCH OF WHAT YOU HAD
TO SAY. OBVIOUSLY AS A NURSING MOM I
REALLY APPRECIATE YOU PUT THE NURSING STATIONS IN PHOENIX SKY
HARBOR, OR — THE HARD WORK YOU HAVE DONE TO DO THAT. YOU TALKED A LOT ABOUT JUST YOUR
CARE FOR PHOENICIANS, OUR HOMELESS, SUICIDE RATES IN THE
VALLEY. YOU HAD A NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT
YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, AND I COULD SEE THAT YOU HAD A GENUINE
CARE FOR PEOPLE, AND I APPRECIATE THAT, AND I WILL BE
PRAYING FOR YOU THAT GOD LEADS YOU TO LEAD THIS CITY IN A WAY
THAT GLORIFIES HIM AND BRINGS JUSTICE. BUT I JUST WANT TO CHALLENGE YOU
TODAY TO BE CONSISTENT. IT’S EVIDENT THAT YOU CARE FOR
PHOENICIANS. LAST WEEK YOU EVEN REFERENCED
OUR YOUNGEST OF RESIDENTS, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING OUR
YOUNGEST OF RESIDENTS ARE STILL IN THE WOMB, AND YOU MENTIONED
YOU CAME TO PHOENIX TO GET THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES IN YOUR
PICKUP TRUCK THAT YOU WANTED TO CARVE YOUR OWN DESTINY. HOW ABOUT THESE CHILDREN? YOU KNOW, YOU SAY THAT YOU’VE
BEEN AN OPEN SUPPORTER OF ABORTION. YOU DON’T HIDE THAT FACT. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY, I JUST
DON’T REALLY BELIEVE YOU, THAT YOU ARE. I DON’T BELIEVE THAT IF A WOMAN
CAME TO YOU TODAY AND SAID, YOU KNOW, I’M PREGNANT, BUT I’M
GOING TO BE A SINGLE MOM, BUT I HAVE CAREER GOALS, I WANT TO GO
TO COLLEGE, THAT YOU WOULD TELL HER HER CHILD HAS TO DIE IN
ORDER FOR THOSE THING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU ARE A SHINING
EXAMPLE THAT WOMEN CAN HAVE BOTH. YOU’VE TALKED ABOUT THE
STRUGGLES OF BEING A SINGLE MOM, ABOUT YOU YOU CAN’T HELP BUT BE
BEAM WITH PRIDE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR SON. I BET HE MOTIVATES YOU TO WORK
HARDER EACH DAY. I AM JUST CHALLENGING YOU TODAY
TO TURN AND CHANGE YOUR MIND. I WAS PRO-CHOICE ALMOST ABOUT MY
WHOLE LIFE. I THINK WE’RE ABOUT THE SAME
AGE. I’M 37 YEARS OLD. FOR MOST OF MY LIFE I WAS PRO
CHOICE. IT WASN’T UNTIL JESUS CHRIST
SAVED ME AND GAVE ME NEW HEART AND I SAW THAT I WAS SUPPORTING
THIS ATROCITY, THAT I WAS FOR THE EQUALITY OF SOME BUT NOT
ALL. THAT’S WHAT REPENTANCE MEANS, IS
TO TURN OR TO CHANGE YOUR MIND. SO I’M JUST ASKING YOU TODAY
JUST TO THINK ABOUT WHAT’S BEEN SAID, THINK ABOUT YOUR
CONVICTIONS AND IF THEY LINE UP, AND IF YOU’RE BEING CONSISTENT
WITH THEM, AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT’S BEEN MENTIONED, WE JUST
PRAY YOU WOULD MAKE PHOENIX A SANCTUARY CITY FOR THE PREBORN. I’M NOT HERE TO ATTACK YOU,
MAYOR. I’ JUST HERE TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO
LOOK AT WHAT YOU SAY YOU VALUE AND BE CONSISTENT.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU
FOR YOUR TESTIMONY.>>I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME,
MAYOR. TRULY, I’M PRAYING FOR YOU. COUNCILMAN DICICCIO, SERIOUSLY,
WE WILL STAND BEHIND YOU, IF YOU ARE AS BOLD AS YOU WERE TODAY
FOR THESE PREBORN CHILDREN. THANK YOU.>>Mayor Gallego: PAT
McKINNEY.>>MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEN
AND STAFF AND THOSE CITIZENS THAT ARE HERE, MY NAME IS CAT
McKINNEY AND I REPRESENT SEVERAL VICTIMS OF POLICE
BRUTALITY WHO HAVE HAD THIS INFLICTED UPON THEM BY THE
PHOENIX POLICE DEPARTMENT. NOW, IT IS A REAL THING, AND IT
IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS. IS THIS A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM? YES. I’M GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME
EXAMPLES. WE JUST HAD 75 OFFICERS ACCUSED
OF MAKING RACIAL COMMENTS ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA, USING — AND
SAYING THINGS THAT WEREN’T VERY LIGHTLY TAKEN BY A LOT OF
MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WITHOUT ANY REGARD TO THEM BEING
DISCIPLINED FOR THAT. WE HAVE A LACK OF OVERSIGHT IN
THE DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE A FUNNELING OF
INFORMATION, A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY, A LACK OF
ACCOUNTABILITY, AND WE ALSO HAVE ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS POLICE
DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTRY. THAT WAS NOTED BY THE ASSOCIATED
PRESS ON DECEMBER 18th. AND THE ANSWER THAT WE GET IS
THAT THE CITIZENS HERE ARE MORE VIOLENT. WELL, IN REGARDS TO MANY OF
THESE KILLINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING, MANY OF THESE VICTIMS
DON’T HAVE A GUN. SO WHAT VIOLENCE ARE THEY
INFLICTING THAT MAKES THEM MORE VIE LEAPT THAN THE POLICE
THEMSELVES? NOW, I WANT TO KNOW WHY IS THIS? AND THIS SHOULD BE A QUESTION
THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. WHY DO WE HAVE MORE POLICE
SHOOTINGS IN THIS CITY THAN ANYWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY? AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE CAN
ALMOST GO INTO THE WHOLE WORLD. WE HAVE MORE POLICE SHOOTINGS
RIGHT HERE IN PHOENIX THAN WE HAVE IN THE WHOLE WORLD. NOW, REGARDING THE VIDEO OF
DOMESTIC TERRORISM IMPOSED, THE SHOPLIFTING CRIME VIDEO, PLEASE
LOOK AT THAT VIDEO VERY CAREFULLY. DO NOT BE FOOLED. YOU DO NOT SEE THEM TAKING
ANYTHING OUT OF THAT STORE. IF YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH, YOU CAN
READ THAT POLICE REPORT, AND YOU’LL SEE FOR YOURSELF THAT
THEY WALKED OUT OF THERE WITH NOTHING, AND THEY KNEW THAT. WE JUST HAD AN EXONERATION
CONFERENCE ON MONDAY IN REGARDS TO THAT. SO HE WAS NOT SHOPLIFTING, AND
IF ANYBODY SHOPLIFTED, IT WAS THE 4-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, AND YOU
CAN’T ARREST HER FOR THAT. SO LET’S KEEP THAT CLEAR. THE PARENTS DID NOT SHOPLIFT OR
STEAL ANYTHING OUT OF THAT FAMILY DOLLAR STORE. LOOK AT THE VIDEO AGAIN. AND THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT WE’RE
HAVING. WE’RE GETTING INFORMATION THAT
COMES OUT HALF, AND I DON’T WANT TO CUSS, BUT HALF […] TODAY WE
GOT VIDEO FROM JACOB –>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU —
>>WE’RE ASKING FOR THE REST OF THE FOOTAGE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT
GIVE US ALL THE FOOTAGE. THAT BOY WAS RUNNING FOR HIS
LIFE AND THE POLICE WAS NOT SCARED, AND IT’S ALSO THE SAME
OFFICER WHO SHOT THREE OTHER PEOPLE —
>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY OPINION.>>– AND DID NOT RECEIVE ANY
DISCIPLINE. WHERE IS THE AUTHORITY OVER
TAKING CONTROL OF THESE OFFICERS? WHEN THEY —
>>Mayor Gallego: OUR FINAL TESTIMONY TODAY WILL BE FROM
ERIC BROCK.>>Councilman DiCiccio: MAYOR,
ERIC USED TO BE AN INTERN IN MY OFFICE. HE NOW INTERNS IN THE STATE
TREASURER’S OFFICE. HE’S AN OUTSTANDING YOUNG MAN OF
ARIZONA — OR OF PHOENIX, AND WE HAD THIS FROM ALL THE DISTRICTS,
BUT HE WAS ALSO THE TOP OF THAT. I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW PROUD WE
ARE OF HIM. ERIC, YOU HAVE DONE AMAZING
WORK. HE IS GOING TO AMERICAN
UNIVERSITY NOW. JUST — HE JUST IS AN AMAZING
AND BRILLIANT YOUNG MAN, AND WE’RE JUST PROUD OF YOU. HIS BIG INSPIRATION IS PRESIDENT
OBAMA, WHICH — HE WANTS TO BECOME PRESIDENT SOME DAY, AND I
THINK IT’S EXCITING. I THINK WE’RE JUST GLAD YOU’RE
HERE. AND HE HAS SOMETHING HE WANTS TO
DO. EVERY INTERN IN THE OFFICE IS
REQUIRED TO DO SOMETHING BIG, LIKE SOMETHING LARGE AND MAKE A
CHANGE, AND THIS IS HIS PLAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR.>>THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN, MAYOR,
MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I’VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF BEING
AN INTERN IN THE HALLS OF THIS VERY CITY WORKING TO SOLVE OUR
CITY’S GREATEST PROBLEMS AND I APPRECIATE THAT SENTIMENT. TODAY I’M SUBMITTING A CITIZEN
PETITION THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CITY AGENCIES TO SEEK PERMISSION
FROM THE COUNCIL WHEN ACQUIRING FACIAL RECOGNITION AND OTHER
PRIVACY-INVASIVE TECHNOLOGIES. PERHAPS THE GREATEST CHALLENGE
OUR CITY WILL FACE IS THE ONE WE CANNOT FORESEE, THE RAPIDLY
ADVANCING FACIAL RECOGNITION THAT IS BEING USED BY POLICE
FORCES ACROSS THE WORLD ARE CONTINUING TO INVADE THE CIVIL
LIBERTIES THAT ARE GUARANTEED TO US IN THIS COUNTRY. EFFICIENCY WILL BE OUR GREATEST
DOWNFALL, AND CRITICS OF THIS VERY PETITION WILL ARGUE THAT
POLICING WILL BECOME QUICKER. YET THIS SAME EFFICIENCY, AS THE
LONDON POLICE DEPARTMENT DISCOVERED, FALSELY ACCUSES
CITIZENS AS CRIMINALS 96% OF THE TIME. WHILE SOME GOVERNMENTS HAVE
LEARNED OF THIS HORRIBLE ERROR, CHINA HAS EMBRACED THIS
TECHNOLOGY WITH OPEN ARMS. IN FACT, IT’S BECOME QUICKER TO
IDENTIFY AND INCARCERATE THEIR MUSLIM MINORITY WHO ARE THEN
HAULED OFF TO GUT-CHURNING CONCENTRATION CAMPS. IT’S BECOME QUICKER TO IDENTIFY
MEMBERS OF SOCIETY THEY DEEM LESS OF IN ORDER TO CAST THEM IN
THEIR SOCIAL CREDIT SYSTEM. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE
COUNCIL, RESPECT FOR YOUR DECISION ON THIS PETITION WILL
BE REMEMBERED IN TWO WAYS. YOU CAN BE THE COUNCIL TO
PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF PHOENIX FROM THE ATROCITIES OF
MECHANIZED POLICING OR YOU CAN BE THE VERY COUNCIL THAT BECAME
LEGALLY COMPLICIT WITH MASS INCARCERATION. AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO
REQUEST COUNCIL DIRECT CITY STAFF TO RESEARCH, OUTLINE AND
FIND ACCEPTABLE USES OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES, MEASURES TO SECURE
THE DATA COLLECTED AND LIMITATIONS OF THESE
TECHNOLOGIES FOR THE PURPOSE OF FORMULATING A CITYWIDE POLICY TO
BE CONSIDERED BY COUNCIL AT A FUTURE DATE TO BE DETERMINED AT
THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. IT’S BEEN A PRIVILEGE TO WORK
WITH MANY OF YOU. THANK YOU. OH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT
THAT PETITION.>>Councilman DiCiccio: THE
REQUEST IS TO HAVE THE CITY BEGIN A DISCUSSION, CORRECT, AND
TO MOVE FORWARD WITH LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A POLICY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE’RE
CLEAR ON THAT.>>Mayor Gallego: THANK YOU. MEETING ADJOURNED.

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